[Durham INC] INC-list Digest, Vol 125, Issue 27
Myers Sugg
andrew.sugg at duke.edu
Wed May 27 10:55:32 EDT 2015
Dismissive commentary like "clearly a case of obsessing on minutiae" is not constructive to any public forum discussion like this.
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1. Re: Yard Waste Carts (Richard Ford)
2. Re: INC-list Digest, Vol 125, Issue 26 (Myers Sugg)
3. Tomorrow: Greystone Apartments redesign presentation
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Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 23:40:48 -0400
From: Richard Ford <rbford at aim.com>
To: Reyn Bowman <reynbowman at gmail.com>, "steveschewel at gmail.com"
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Interesting issue but clearly a case of obsessing on minutiae. Durham County introduced it?s budget tonight. How many posts will be see about it??
Dick
> On May 26, 2015, at 11:13 PM, Reyn Bowman <reynbowman at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Steve - I for one think the charges are very reasonable and a great value and appreciate them moving to monthly. But strategically Natalie makes a great point.
>
> Reyn Bowman
> 2203 Shoreham St
> Durham NC 27707
> Www.bullcitymutterings.com <http://www.bullcitymutterings.com/>
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> On May 26, 2015, at 9:06 PM, Myers Sugg <andrew.sugg at duke.edu <mailto:andrew.sugg at duke.edu>> wrote:
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>> Steve:
>>
>> It sounds to me that based on a reply you sent, this is a $90 per year per participant program. Breaking out the carts as items for rent is nonsense. I can buy paper sacks for less than the additional $36.00 I would pay annually for carts 2&3. What is the process for not getting charged for additional carts already owned and in one's possession? This overall change and 25% increase does not appear to be very well thought out. I'd like to hear more from City officials.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Myers Sugg
>>
>> On May 26, 2015, at 5:35 PM, "TheOcean1 at aol.com <mailto:TheOcean1 at aol.com>" <TheOcean1 at aol.com <mailto:TheOcean1 at aol.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> I hope Andrew or Natalie will forward this message to INC, as mine don't seem to post there. (INC meets tonight)
>>>
>>> Steve Schewel, I hope you read Natalie's message very carefully - because.....
>>>
>>> We know from a horrible experience many years ago, that if you make solid waste (trash) cost anything, or make it a hassle - illegal dumping increases radically!
>>>
>>> I have believed for years that we have a nearly invisible yard waste dumping problem, Natalie is extra observant since it blends into the landscape far better than bags of garbage.
>>> There IS a large cost associated with blowing leaves into the street, and dumping large quantities over embankments. What does it cost to unblock a storm drain?
>>>
>>> No one really knows. What costs are associated with the resulting street flooding?
>>> Ditto, no one knows. (the list continues)
>>>
>>> I wish I had a suggestion as to what to do about it, but beyond handling it just like garbage as far as how we pay for it, but beyond that, I'm out of ideas.
>>>
>>> At least we can a little money from running a huge mulch pit, and selling the soil back to the citizens.
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>> Bill Anderson
>>>
>>> In a message dated 5/26/2015 4:54:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, natalie.spring at gmail.com <mailto:natalie.spring at gmail.com> writes:
>>> I'm curious how many yard waste subscribers there are in Durham. My thinking is this - almost everyone has some sort of yard waste in Durham but only subscribers are getting rid of it according to the solid waste rules. How much would it actually cost to make this program universal for Durham? What amount of tax increase would we as citizens see if the program was made universal. Is it $1 ? Is it $5 a year? Is it $10 a year? Everyone pays for recycling and trash through taxes and yard waste should not be different. If you remember, there was a time when recycling was optional in Durham...
>>>
>>> I ask because people in this city have leaves- lots of them. During the fall I see them blown into the street. I see them dumped into vacant lots. I see them bagged and thrown into the trash. I see some people compost them. This is just in my neighborhood/not scientific or exhaustive, but it I think it's shortsighted to say that it's a service that only a few in Durham benefit from or use. My sense is that if it were made universal we might see less trash in vacant lots, less flooding of creeks, and fewer streets covered in leaves during the fall/winter months.
>>>
>>> Natalie
>>> 801 Cleveland St
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Marge Nordstrom <nordstrom.marge at gmail.com <mailto:nordstrom.marge at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> That's certainly not the way the letter reads. Plus the increase from the charge of $60/year to $90/year is outlandish.
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Don Moffitt <don.moffitt at gmail.com <mailto:don.moffitt at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> The letter is not well written; subscribers to yard service can cancel their service at the end of the fiscal year (June 30). It's an annual service, from July 1 to June 30--once subscribed you're in for the year unless you move.
>>>
>>> I feel your pain and did not have an opportunity to discuss or vote on this change.
>>>
>>> Don
>>>
>>>
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>>> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 2:53 PM, Myers Sugg <andrew.sugg at duke.edu <mailto:andrew.sugg at duke.edu>> wrote:
>>> John/John:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So if I decide to pay a yard service to take care of my yard, and remove all yard waste from my site, I can?t unsubscribe to the program? I missed that in my quick read. I think this may boil down to a reduction in funding for solid waste, or a program that costs more. The explanation though leaves big holes in it. If the cost is really $90 per year to run the program, then that is what they need to say, and explain why. If $90 is more than I can or want to pay, then I should be able to leave the program should I want to. Again, I?m appreciative the City offers this program, but unlike water and sewer requirements for healthy and safety reasons, I can?t see yard waste removal rising to that level of importance. I personally would be ok with less frequent collection if it would save any money.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I would also expect rental fees to be accounted for separately internally. Co-mingling of the service fee and rental fee should not be allowed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Myers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Myers Sugg
>>>
>>> Financial Analyst
>>>
>>> Fuqua School of Business
>>>
>>> Duke University
>>>
>>> Box 90120
>>>
>>> Durham NC 27708
>>>
>>> 919-660-8018 <tel:919-660-8018>
>>> 919-660-7960 <tel:919-660-7960>
>>>
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>>> From: John Martin [mailto:bulldurhamnc at yahoo.com <mailto:bulldurhamnc at yahoo.com>]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:16 PM
>>> To: Myers Sugg; 'inc-list at lists.deltaforce.net <mailto:inc-list at lists.deltaforce.net>'
>>> Subject: Re: [Durham INC] Yard Waste Carts
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Myers,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There was a fair amount of chatter about this on the Old North Durham list serve on Saturday since a number of us got the letter then. You will also notice that you are no longer allowed to discontinue your participation in the program.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Councilman Eugene Brown said that he is looking into this with the City Manager. We'll see what they say. I doubt that any of this is legal.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: "Jackson jacksonsmom at nc.rr.com <mailto:jacksonsmom at nc.rr.com> [oldnorthdurham]" <oldnorthdurham at yahoogroups.com <mailto:oldnorthdurham at yahoogroups.com>>
>>> Date: May 23, 2015 at 6:17:43 PM EDT
>>> To: "oldnorthdurham at yahoogroups.com <mailto:oldnorthdurham at yahoogroups.com>" <oldnorthdurham at yahoogroups.com <mailto:oldnorthdurham at yahoogroups.com>>
>>> Subject: Re: [oldnorthdurham] Yard Waste Letter
>>> Reply-To: oldnorthdurham at yahoogroups.com <mailto:oldnorthdurham at yahoogroups.com>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you so much. I am still sitting here trying to understand the logic behind this. How is it we have bought the thing many times over and now we have to RENT it??
>>>
>>> I don't get it.
>>>
>>> Robin on West Seeman.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 23, 2015, at 6:10 PM, "Eugene Brown teton at earthlink.net <mailto:teton at earthlink.net> [oldnorthdurham]" <oldnorthdurham at yahoogroups.com <mailto:oldnorthdurham at yahoogroups.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am looking into this with the City Manager. Eugene Brown
>>>
>>> On May 23, 2015, at 2:05 PM, John Martin bulldurhamnc at yahoo.com <mailto:bulldurhamnc at yahoo.com> [oldnorthdurham] <oldnorthdurham at yahoogroups.com <mailto:oldnorthdurham at yahoogroups.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nancy,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I got the same letter this morning. In addition to charging me rent on something I already own, the City also announces that the Yard Waste Program is like the roach motel: you can't check out: "Please note that cancellation of yard waste service is only allowed for customers who are moving and no longer need the service and customers closing their utility water account." So now I have to continue to have yard waste service whether I want it or not, and whether I use it or not.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I bought my yard waste container back in 1998, but I hadn't used the service for several years. Last summer, since I anticipated more yard waste than normal, I signed up again. Little did I know that I had signed up in perpetuity.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This is a small matter, but it is mind-boggling that the City of Durham government can even devise a scheme like this.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: "Nancy Holliman nkholliman at gmail.com <mailto:nkholliman at gmail.com> [oldnorthdurham]" <oldnorthdurham at yahoogroups.com <mailto:oldnorthdurham at yahoogroups.com>>
>>> To: OND NA <oldnorthdurham at yahoogroups.com <mailto:oldnorthdurham at yahoogroups.com>>
>>> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2015 1:39 PM
>>> Subject: [oldnorthdurham] Yard Waste Letter
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi neighbors,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm assuming any of you who are solid waste customers of the City have or will receive the letter we just got. In it it informs us that "Effective July 1, all carts now have a monthly rental fee regardless of past purchase history." So that means that we get to now pay a rental fee for carts that we previously purchased from the City. Excuse my acronym, but wtf?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I see on their FAQ that they are expecting carts to need to be replaced, as 2008 was the last time carts were available for purchase. Well I believe that our cart has a few years left in it, and it burns me up to rent what we own.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Does anyone know if this change is something approved by the city manager? City council? Who decides this?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for any info you may have.
>>>
>>> Nancy Holliman
>>>
>>> W. Lynch St.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> From: Myers Sugg <andrew.sugg at duke.edu <mailto:andrew.sugg at duke.edu>>
>>> To: "'inc-list at lists.deltaforce.net <mailto:inc-list at lists.deltaforce.net>'" <inc-list at lists.deltaforce.net <mailto:inc-list at lists.deltaforce.net>>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:03 PM
>>> Subject: [Durham INC] Yard Waste Carts
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Neighbors:
>>>
>>> You may have received the letter today from Donald Long, Solid Waste Director regarding changes in the City?s Yard Waste program. One thing in particular caught my attention. Longtime residents may have, like me, purchased brown yard waste carts back when the City started the brown cart, weekly pickup program, ten plus years ago. The City is now converting everyone to the rental program, and charging an additional $1.50 per month, per cart even for those who purchased their cart outright. I personally don't think this is fair. As I understand it, new customers are required to rent their carts, but for those who started early, you paid, and now you will be required to pay rent for the same plastic bin. IF rental is the only option, then I think a refund should be in order for those who previously paid. If I remember correctly, carts were around $50-$60 each, but I'm not certain. If anyone can remember what the purchase rate was previously, please let me know.
>>>
>>> I am of the opinion that composting is best, but for those who have small yards, and large limbs/sticks, it is not always easy to find a place for them. I appreciate the robust yard waste program the City has. When it started, collection was every other week, and the fee was rolled into your property tax rate. The City pulled it out the tax rate and began the fee for service sticker/subscriber program. Initially it was $50, then $60, and now it will basically be $90 per year. That's a significant amount in my opinion. I own 3 carts, and as such, I would pay an additional $54.00 per year to rent something I already purchased. Does anyone else see the problem here?
>>>
>>> Comments would be appreciated. Hopefully someone at the City will also see this and offer some insight.
>>>
>>> Myers Sugg
>>>
>>> James St
>>>
>>> TLNA
>>>
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From: Myers Sugg <andrew.sugg at duke.edu>
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Dear All:
I appreciate the comments from others, on both sides of this issue. Mr. Long states that the City replaces carts for those who previously purchased one. I advocate to keep my perfectly functioning original paid for cart, and be exempt from the rental fee until such time that my cart requires service/replacement. If Solid Waste determines that the contents of my owned yard waste cart can no longer be removed without potential damage to the truck, I must then order a replacement and start paying the $1.50 per month "rental" fee. The depreciated value of my cart is not a valid argument.
Once upon a time the only way to get a telephone (landline) was to rent one from the phone company. Included in that rental fee was the maintenance and repair of the device. Later phone companies started allowing phones to be purchased by consumers (either directly from the telephone company or through retailers). For those devices, the phone company provided no maintenance or support. Many phone companies then began offering repair and maintenance plans for customer owned equipment. The phone company didn't start a broad fee based repair and maintenance plan for all equipment, regardless of who owned the devices. They made it clear what they would and wouldn't service. If you wanted the benefit of the phone company coverage, you could continue to rent or pay for the repair and maintenance plan.
Again, I advocate for keeping my purchased, perfectly functioning, albeit fully depreciated cart as is. At such time that I need repair or replacement, I know exactly what the costs would be....$1.50 per month, per cart.
I'm not trying to be petty here. I just don't like being told that something I purchased, can now be reclaimed as rental property, owned by the City. IF the program needs to be $90 per year in order to break even, then restate your argument that the program isn't split between service and rental fees.
Thank you,
Myers Sugg
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1. Re: Yard Waste Carts: INC-list Digest, Vol 125, Issue 23
(Ryan, Daniel P.)
2. Re: Yard Waste Carts: INC-list Digest, Vol 125, Issue 23
(YAHOO-KJJ)
3. Re: Yard Waste Carts (Melissa Rooney)
4. Re: Yard Waste Carts (Myers Sugg)
5. Re: Yard Waste Carts (Reyn Bowman)
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Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 21:21:39 +0000
From: "Ryan, Daniel P." <Daniel.P.Ryan at ul.com>
To: "Long, Donald" <Donald.Long at durhamnc.gov>,
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Cc: "Thompson, Beverly B." <Beverly.Thompson at durhamnc.gov>, "Harris,
Casey" <Casey.Harris at durhamnc.gov>, "Ferguson, Bo"
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"Fenton, Wayne" <Wayne.Fenton at durhamnc.gov>, "Moffitt, Don"
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Subject: Re: [Durham INC] Yard Waste Carts: INC-list Digest, Vol 125,
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Thank you, Mr. Long. And thank you to Tom Miller for forwarding the compelling email from Steve Schewel.
I have had two yard waste containers for many years. I find the new charges to be entirely reasonable, and am happy to continue to use the yard waste service under the new terms. I appreciate that if I didn't find the terms to be reasonable, I could "opt out" at the next annual renewal.
I fully agree that this is a program where the expense should be borne by those who use it, rather than the population at large.
The issue of owning the yard waste cans vs. paying for the monthly service (and there is more service involved in having multiple cans emptied than a single can) isn't significant to me.
Sincerely,
Dan Ryan
29 Falling Water Drive
Durham NC 27713
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Subject: Re: [Durham INC] Yard Waste Carts: INC-list Digest, Vol 125, Issue 23
We truly regret the implied financial imposition to subscribers who purchased carts, but once you purchased your cart we still provided replacement and maintenance service for the cart. Every year the cart depreciates and depending on when you purchased your cart you may have gotten the purchase value out of the cart already and we will continue to provide the replacement and maintenance service. The reasons for the changes are twofold. First of all the program had to at least pay for itself since we can't ask taxpayers who don't subscribe to supplement the cost and secondly, we had a strong need to change our billing system in order to get all of our subscribers on one payment schedule for the sake of efficiency. I hope I've made this understandable, but if not feel free to contact me directly.
Donald M Long
Director of Solid Waste Management
City of Durham, NC
919-560-4186 ext. 32222
919-201-0258-Cell
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Subject: Yard Waste Carts: INC-list Digest, Vol 125, Issue 23
See below conversation on the INC list serve. Councilman Moffitt also comments (see very last post).
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Today's Topics:
1. Yard Waste Carts (Myers Sugg)
2. Re: Yard Waste Carts (Natalie Spring)
3. Re: Yard Waste Carts (John Martin)
4. Re: Yard Waste Carts (John Dagenhart)
5. Re: Yard Waste Carts (Myers Sugg)
6. Re: Yard Waste Carts (B Tucker)
7. Re: Yard Waste Carts (Don Moffitt)
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Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 18:03:54 +0000
From: Myers Sugg <andrew.sugg at duke.edu>
Dear Neighbors:
You may have received the letter today from Donald Long, Solid Waste Director regarding changes in the City's Yard Waste program. One thing in particular caught my attention. Longtime residents may have, like me, purchased brown yard waste carts back when the City started the brown cart, weekly pickup program, ten plus years ago. The City is now converting everyone to the rental program, and charging an additional $1.50 per month, per cart even for those who purchased their cart outright. I personally don't think this is fair. As I understand it, new customers are required to rent their carts, but for those who started early, you paid, and now you will be required to pay rent for the same plastic bin. IF rental is the only option, then I think a refund should be in order for those who previously paid. If I remember correctly, carts were around $50-$60 each, but I'm not certain. If anyone can remember what the purchase rate was previously, please let me know.
I am of the opinion that composting is best, but for those who have small yards, and large limbs/sticks, it is not always easy to find a place for them. I appreciate the robust yard waste program the City has. When it started, collection was every other week, and the fee was rolled into your property tax rate. The City pulled it out the tax rate and began the fee for service sticker/subscriber program. Initially it was $50, then $60, and now it will basically be $90 per year. That's a significant amount in my opinion. I own 3 carts, and as such, I would pay an additional $54.00 per year to rent something I already purchased. Does anyone else see the problem here?
Comments would be appreciated. Hopefully someone at the City will also see this and offer some insight.
Myers Sugg, James St, TLNA
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Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 14:12:42 -0400
From: Natalie Spring <natalie.spring at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Durham INC] Yard Waste Carts
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Annoyed as well - I bought my brown cart years ago and received the letter recently. I still think this program should be universal in Durham, not an opt in fee based offering.
Natalie
801 Cleveland St
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Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 18:15:45 +0000 (UTC)
From: John Martin <bulldurhamnc at yahoo.com>
Myers,
There was a fair amount of chatter about this on the Old North Durham list serve on Saturday since a number of us got the letter then. You will also notice that you are no longer allowed to discontinue your participation in the program. Councilman Eugene Brown said that he is looking into this with the City Manager. We'll see what they say. I doubt that any of this is legal.
John
Thank you so much. I am still sitting here trying to understand the logic behind this. How is it we have bought the thing many times over and now we have to RENT it I don't get it.
Robin on West Seeman.
Sent from my iPhone
On May 23, 2015, at 6:10 PM, "Eugene Brown?teton at earthlink.net?[oldnorthdurham]" <oldnorthdurham at yahoogroups.com> wrote:
I am looking into this with the City Manager.
Eugene Brown On May 23, 2015, at 2:05 PM,
Nancy,
I got the same letter this morning. In addition to charging me rent on something I already own, the City also announces that the Yard Waste Program is like the roach motel: you can't check out: "Please note that cancellation of yard waste service is only allowed for customers who are moving and no longer need the service and customers closing their utility water account." So now I have to continue to have yard waste service whether I want it or not, and whether I use it or not.
I bought my yard waste container back in 1998, but I hadn't used the service for several years. Last summer, since I anticipated more yard waste than normal, I signed up again. Little did I know that I had signed up in perpetuity.
This is a small matter, but it is mind-boggling that the City of Durham government can even devise a scheme like this.
John
Hi neighbors,
I'm assuming any of you who are solid waste customers of the City have or will receive the letter we just got. In it it informs us that "Effective July 1, all carts now have a monthly rental fee regardless of past purchase history." So that means that we get to now pay a rental fee for carts that we previously purchased from the City. Excuse my acronym, but wtf??
I see on their FAQ that they are expecting carts to need to be replaced, as 2008 was the last time carts were available for purchase. Well I believe that our cart has a few years left in it, and it burns me up to rent what we own.
Does anyone know if this change is something approved by the city manager? City council? Who decides this??
Thanks for any info you may have.
Nancy Holliman W. Lynch St.
Message: 4
Myers: I have the same problem with this plan from the City. If they need to charge more for the service that's one thing. Let's take a hard look at that.
But please don't tell me you're going to charge me rent for something I've already paid for.
John Dagenhart, PE
President
Dagenhart Consulting Services,PC and
Clapp Research Associates, PC
1058 W. Club Blvd., Suite 220B
Durham, NC 27701
Office: 919-908-0227
Cell: 919-247-4236
j.b.dagenhart at ieee.org
Message: 5
Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 18:53:58 +0000
John/John:
So if I decide to pay a yard service to take care of my yard, and remove all yard waste from my site, I can't unsubscribe to the program? I missed that in my quick read. I think this may boil down to a reduction in funding for solid waste, or a program that costs more. The explanation though leaves big holes in it. If the cost is really $90 per year to run the program, then that is what they need to say, and explain why. If $90 is more than I can or want to pay, then I should be able to leave the program should I want to. Again, '?m appreciative the City offers this program, but unlike water and sewer requirements for healthy and safety reasons, I can't see yard waste removal rising to that level of importance. I personally would be ok with less frequent collection if it would save any money.
I would also expect rental fees to be accounted for separately internally. Co-mingling of the service fee and rental fee should not be allowed.
Myers
Myers Sugg
Financial Analyst
Fuqua School of Business
Duke University
Box 90120
Durham NC 27708
919-660-8018
919-660-7960
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Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 14:53:18 -0400
From: B Tucker <b.t at mindspring.com>
To: John Dagenhart <jdag at clappresearch.com>
Cc: 'Myers Sugg' <andrew.sugg at duke.edu>,
<inc-list at lists.deltaforce.net>
Subject: Re: [Durham INC] Yard Waste Carts
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I have three yard waste carts and hope that the city offers to buy them back.
Beverly Tucker
Englewood
Sent from my Goofy Verizon Wireless DROID
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We regret the implied financial imposition to customers who purchased carts, however, the fact is even though you purchased your cart we would still provide replacement and maintenance free of charge. We now have to capture those costs in order not to operate at a loss and to simplify our billing system by putting everyone's bill on a monthly basis in the water bill. The value of your cart depreciates over time and we will continue to provide replacement/maintenance for your cart but we have to pass that cost on to the subscribers since we can't support a voluntary subscriber service with the tax dollars of residents who don't subscribe to the service.
Message: 7
Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 15:19:45 -0400
From: Don Moffitt <don.moffitt at gmail.com>
To: Myers Sugg <andrew.sugg at duke.edu>
Cc: "inc-list at lists.deltaforce.net" <inc-list at lists.deltaforce.net>
Subject: Re: [Durham INC] Yard Waste Carts
The letter is not well written; subscribers to yard service can cancel their service at the end of the fiscal year (June 30). It's an annual service, from July 1 to June 30--once subscribed you're in for the year unless you move.
I feel your pain and did not have an opportunity to discuss or vote on this change.
Don
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Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 18:53:23 -0400
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Cc: "Ferguson, Bo" <Bo.Ferguson at durhamnc.gov>,
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Subject: Re: [Durham INC] Yard Waste Carts: INC-list Digest, Vol 125,
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OWD neighbors,
There has been a lot of discussion on the INC listserv about the city's plans to raise rates (again) on yard waste services--including some discussion (again) about why this is no longer a tax-supported service and we must subscribe. Yard waste fees have increased from $60/year to $90/year in the past couple of years.
Below is an initial list of shared yard waste costs that suggest at least some portion of the program is not subscription based.
On May 26, 2015, at 4:50 PM, Joshua Allen <allen.joshua at gmail.com> wrote:
Is there a shared cost for yard waste that all taxpayers should shoulder? E.g.,
- the winter storm that produced lots of yard waste that the city picked up for free
- yard waste from parks, community spaces.
- Christmas trees every January.
- Street trees that are removed.
--Joshua
-----
Sent from iPhone. Please excuse brevity, typos, etc.
> On May 26, 2015, at 4:04 PM, Long, Donald <Donald.Long at durhamnc.gov> wrote:
>
> We truly regret the implied financial imposition to subscribers who purchased carts, but once you purchased your cart we still provided replacement and maintenance service for the cart. Every year the cart depreciates and depending on when you purchased your cart you may have gotten the purchase value out of the cart already and we will continue to provide the replacement and maintenance service. The reasons for the changes are twofold. First of all the program had to at least pay for itself since we can't ask taxpayers who don't subscribe to supplement the cost and secondly, we had a strong need to change our billing system in order to get all of our subscribers on one payment schedule for the sake of efficiency. I hope I've made this understandable, but if not feel free to contact me directly.
>
> Donald M Long
> Director of Solid Waste Management
> City of Durham, NC
> 919-560-4186 ext. 32222
> 919-201-0258-Cell
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Blalock, Amy
> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:29 PM
> To: Fenton, Wayne; Long, Donald; Hart-Leak, Michelle; Harris, Casey
> Cc: Thompson, Beverly B.; Ferguson, Bo
> Subject: Yard Waste Carts: INC-list Digest, Vol 125, Issue 23
>
> See below conversation on the INC list serve. Councilman Moffitt also comments (see very last post).
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: INC-list [mailto:inc-list-bounces at lists.deltaforce.net] On Behalf Of inc-list-request at lists.deltaforce.net
> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:20 PM
>
> Today's Topics:
> 1. Yard Waste Carts (Myers Sugg)
> 2. Re: Yard Waste Carts (Natalie Spring)
> 3. Re: Yard Waste Carts (John Martin)
> 4. Re: Yard Waste Carts (John Dagenhart)
> 5. Re: Yard Waste Carts (Myers Sugg)
> 6. Re: Yard Waste Carts (B Tucker)
> 7. Re: Yard Waste Carts (Don Moffitt)
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 18:03:54 +0000
> From: Myers Sugg <andrew.sugg at duke.edu>
>
> Dear Neighbors:
> You may have received the letter today from Donald Long, Solid Waste Director regarding changes in the City's Yard Waste program. One thing in particular caught my attention. Longtime residents may have, like me, purchased brown yard waste carts back when the City started the brown cart, weekly pickup program, ten plus years ago. The City is now converting everyone to the rental program, and charging an additional $1.50 per month, per cart even for those who purchased their cart outright. I personally don't think this is fair. As I understand it, new customers are required to rent their carts, but for those who started early, you paid, and now you will be required to pay rent for the same plastic bin. IF rental is the only option, then I think a refund should be in order for those who previously paid. If I remember correctly, carts were around $50-$60 each, but I'm not certain. If anyone can remember what the purchase rate was previously, please let me know.
>
> I am of the opinion that composting is best, but for those who have small yards, and large limbs/sticks, it is not always easy to find a place for them. I appreciate the robust yard waste program the City has. When it started, collection was every other week, and the fee was rolled into your property tax rate. The City pulled it out the tax rate and began the fee for service sticker/subscriber program. Initially it was $50, then $60, and now it will basically be $90 per year. That's a significant amount in my opinion. I own 3 carts, and as such, I would pay an additional $54.00 per year to rent something I already purchased. Does anyone else see the problem here?
>
> Comments would be appreciated. Hopefully someone at the City will also see this and offer some insight.
>
> Myers Sugg, James St, TLNA
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 14:12:42 -0400
> From: Natalie Spring <natalie.spring at gmail.com>
> To: Myers Sugg <andrew.sugg at duke.edu>
> Cc: "inc-list at lists.deltaforce.net" <inc-list at lists.deltaforce.net>
> Subject: Re: [Durham INC] Yard Waste Carts
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> Annoyed as well - I bought my brown cart years ago and received the letter recently. I still think this program should be universal in Durham, not an opt in fee based offering.
>
> Natalie
> 801 Cleveland St
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 18:15:45 +0000 (UTC)
> From: John Martin <bulldurhamnc at yahoo.com>
>
> Myers,
> There was a fair amount of chatter about this on the Old North Durham list serve on Saturday since a number of us got the letter then. You will also notice that you are no longer allowed to discontinue your participation in the program. Councilman Eugene Brown said that he is looking into this with the City Manager. We'll see what they say. I doubt that any of this is legal.
> John
>
>
> Thank you so much. I am still sitting here trying to understand the logic behind this. How is it we have bought the thing many times over and now we have to RENT it I don't get it.
>
> Robin on West Seeman.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On May 23, 2015, at 6:10 PM, "Eugene Brown?teton at earthlink.net?[oldnorthdurham]" <oldnorthdurham at yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> I am looking into this with the City Manager.
> Eugene Brown On May 23, 2015, at 2:05 PM,
>
>
> Nancy,
> I got the same letter this morning. In addition to charging me rent on something I already own, the City also announces that the Yard Waste Program is like the roach motel: you can't check out: "Please note that cancellation of yard waste service is only allowed for customers who are moving and no longer need the service and customers closing their utility water account." So now I have to continue to have yard waste service whether I want it or not, and whether I use it or not.
> I bought my yard waste container back in 1998, but I hadn't used the service for several years. Last summer, since I anticipated more yard waste than normal, I signed up again. Little did I know that I had signed up in perpetuity.
> This is a small matter, but it is mind-boggling that the City of Durham government can even devise a scheme like this.
> John
>
>
> Hi neighbors,
> I'm assuming any of you who are solid waste customers of the City have or will receive the letter we just got. In it it informs us that "Effective July 1, all carts now have a monthly rental fee regardless of past purchase history." So that means that we get to now pay a rental fee for carts that we previously purchased from the City. Excuse my acronym, but wtf??
>
> I see on their FAQ that they are expecting carts to need to be replaced, as 2008 was the last time carts were available for purchase. Well I believe that our cart has a few years left in it, and it burns me up to rent what we own.
>
> Does anyone know if this change is something approved by the city manager? City council? Who decides this??
>
>
> Thanks for any info you may have.
>
> Nancy Holliman W. Lynch St.
>
>
> Message: 4
> Myers: I have the same problem with this plan from the City. If they need to charge more for the service that's one thing. Let's take a hard look at that.
>
> But please don't tell me you're going to charge me rent for something I've already paid for.
>
>
> John Dagenhart, PE
> President
> Dagenhart Consulting Services,PC and
> Clapp Research Associates, PC
> 1058 W. Club Blvd., Suite 220B
> Durham, NC 27701
> Office: 919-908-0227
> Cell: 919-247-4236
> j.b.dagenhart at ieee.org
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 18:53:58 +0000
>
> John/John:
>
> So if I decide to pay a yard service to take care of my yard, and remove all yard waste from my site, I can't unsubscribe to the program? I missed that in my quick read. I think this may boil down to a reduction in funding for solid waste, or a program that costs more. The explanation though leaves big holes in it. If the cost is really $90 per year to run the program, then that is what they need to say, and explain why. If $90 is more than I can or want to pay, then I should be able to leave the program should I want to. Again, '?m appreciative the City offers this program, but unlike water and sewer requirements for healthy and safety reasons, I can't see yard waste removal rising to that level of importance. I personally would be ok with less frequent collection if it would save any money.
>
> I would also expect rental fees to be accounted for separately internally. Co-mingling of the service fee and rental fee should not be allowed.
>
> Myers
>
> Myers Sugg
> Financial Analyst
> Fuqua School of Business
> Duke University
> Box 90120
> Durham NC 27708
> 919-660-8018
> 919-660-7960
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 14:53:18 -0400
> From: B Tucker <b.t at mindspring.com>
> To: John Dagenhart <jdag at clappresearch.com>
> Cc: 'Myers Sugg' <andrew.sugg at duke.edu>,
> <inc-list at lists.deltaforce.net>
> Subject: Re: [Durham INC] Yard Waste Carts
> Message-ID: <flerae7uro1rpcojagxa5j6d.1432666398142 at email.android.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> I have three yard waste carts and hope that the city offers to buy them back.
>
> Beverly Tucker
> Englewood
>
> Sent from my Goofy Verizon Wireless DROID
>
> ------------------------------
> We regret the implied financial imposition to customers who purchased carts, however, the fact is even though you purchased your cart we would still provide replacement and maintenance free of charge. We now have to capture those costs in order not to operate at a loss and to simplify our billing system by putting everyone's bill on a monthly basis in the water bill. The value of your cart depreciates over time and we will continue to provide replacement/maintenance for your cart but we have to pass that cost on to the subscribers since we can't support a voluntary subscriber service with the tax dollars of residents who don't subscribe to the service.
>
>
>
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 15:19:45 -0400
> From: Don Moffitt <don.moffitt at gmail.com>
> To: Myers Sugg <andrew.sugg at duke.edu>
> Cc: "inc-list at lists.deltaforce.net" <inc-list at lists.deltaforce.net>
> Subject: Re: [Durham INC] Yard Waste Carts
>
> The letter is not well written; subscribers to yard service can cancel their service at the end of the fiscal year (June 30). It's an annual service, from July 1 to June 30--once subscribed you're in for the year unless you move.
>
> I feel your pain and did not have an opportunity to discuss or vote on this change.
>
> Don
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Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 19:10:49 -0400
From: Melissa Rooney <mmr121570 at yahoo.com>
To: "natalie.spring at gmail.com" <natalie.spring at gmail.com>
Cc: Myers Sugg <andrew.sugg at duke.edu>, "inc-list at lists.deltaforce.net"
<inc-list at lists.deltaforce.net>
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I agree. There is little incentive for low-income renters to opt in, and a lot of landlords aren?t going to pay for yard-waste collection if they don?t have to (and certainly not when their renters don?t even ask about the service).
It seems to me that the city should be able to turn collected yard waste into mulch and make up for a significant portion of the projected yard-waste-collection costs this way.
Durham Public Schools, Urban Forestry, Durham Parks and Rec, Keep Durham Beautiful, etc. need more mulch than they generally have (in my personal experience) to properly and consistently maintain common areas/playgrounds/etc.
The city could then provide mulch for use in Stormwater Services? BMP installations, Soil and Water Conservation District projects, Durham History Museum groves, Keep Durham Beautiful projects and grantees, and Urban Forestry projects. Nonprofits like Seeds and Neem and Durham residents may be interested in purchasing mulch from the city wholesale - I know I would (both from a financial and a community perspective). Even neighborly developers may be interested in the possibility of purchasing mulch at reasonable prices from the city.
In many projects that receive city funding, the funding provided could be reduced by the wholesale cost of the city-provided mulch.
Of course, I haven?t done the calculations, but I believe strongly that they are worth doing objectively and earnestly.
Melissa (Rooney)
> On May 26, 2015, at 2:12 PM, Natalie Spring <natalie.spring at gmail.com <mailto:natalie.spring at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Annoyed as well - I bought my brown cart years ago and received the letter recently.
> I still think this program should be universal in Durham, not an opt in fee based offering.
>
> Natalie
> 801 Cleveland St
>
> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 2:03 PM, Myers Sugg <andrew.sugg at duke.edu <mailto:andrew.sugg at duke.edu>> wrote:
> Dear Neighbors:
>
> You may have received the letter today from Donald Long, Solid Waste Director regarding changes in the City?s Yard Waste program. One thing in particular caught my attention. Longtime residents may have, like me, purchased brown yard waste carts back when the City started the brown cart, weekly pickup program, ten plus years ago. The City is now converting everyone to the rental program, and charging an additional $1.50 per month, per cart even for those who purchased their cart outright. I personally don't think this is fair. As I understand it, new customers are required to rent their carts, but for those who started early, you paid, and now you will be required to pay rent for the same plastic bin. IF rental is the only option, then I think a refund should be in order for those who previously paid. If I remember correctly, carts were around $50-$60 each, but I'm not certain. If anyone can remember what the purchase rate was previously, please let me know.
>
> I am of the opinion that composting is best, but for those who have small yards, and large limbs/sticks, it is not always easy to find a place for them. I appreciate the robust yard waste program the City has. When it started, collection was every other week, and the fee was rolled into your property tax rate. The City pulled it out the tax rate and began the fee for service sticker/subscriber program. Initially it was $50, then $60, and now it will basically be $90 per year. That's a significant amount in my opinion. I own 3 carts, and as such, I would pay an additional $54.00 per year to rent something I already purchased. Does anyone else see the problem here?
>
> Comments would be appreciated. Hopefully someone at the City will also see this and offer some insight.
>
> Myers Sugg
>
> James St
>
> TLNA
>
>
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Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 01:06:03 +0000
From: Myers Sugg <andrew.sugg at duke.edu>
To: "TheOcean1 at aol.com" <TheOcean1 at aol.com>
Cc: "steveschewel at gmail.com" <steveschewel at gmail.com>,
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Steve:
It sounds to me that based on a reply you sent, this is a $90 per year per participant program. Breaking out the carts as items for rent is nonsense. I can buy paper sacks for less than the additional $36.00 I would pay annually for carts 2&3. What is the process for not getting charged for additional carts already owned and in one's possession? This overall change and 25% increase does not appear to be very well thought out. I'd like to hear more from City officials.
Thank you,
Myers Sugg
On May 26, 2015, at 5:35 PM, "TheOcean1 at aol.com<mailto:TheOcean1 at aol.com>" <TheOcean1 at aol.com<mailto:TheOcean1 at aol.com>> wrote:
I hope Andrew or Natalie will forward this message to INC, as mine don't seem to post there. (INC meets tonight)
Steve Schewel, I hope you read Natalie's message very carefully - because.....
We know from a horrible experience many years ago, that if you make solid waste (trash) cost anything, or make it a hassle - illegal dumping increases radically!
I have believed for years that we have a nearly invisible yard waste dumping problem, Natalie is extra observant since it blends into the landscape far better than bags of garbage.
There IS a large cost associated with blowing leaves into the street, and dumping large quantities over embankments. What does it cost to unblock a storm drain?
No one really knows. What costs are associated with the resulting street flooding?
Ditto, no one knows. (the list continues)
I wish I had a suggestion as to what to do about it, but beyond handling it just like garbage as far as how we pay for it, but beyond that, I'm out of ideas.
At least we can a little money from running a huge mulch pit, and selling the soil back to the citizens.
Bill
Bill Anderson
In a message dated 5/26/2015 4:54:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, natalie.spring at gmail.com<mailto:natalie.spring at gmail.com> writes:
I'm curious how many yard waste subscribers there are in Durham. My thinking is this - almost everyone has some sort of yard waste in Durham but only subscribers are getting rid of it according to the solid waste rules. How much would it actually cost to make this program universal for Durham? What amount of tax increase would we as citizens see if the program was made universal. Is it $1 ? Is it $5 a year? Is it $10 a year? Everyone pays for recycling and trash through taxes and yard waste should not be different. If you remember, there was a time when recycling was optional in Durham...
I ask because people in this city have leaves- lots of them. During the fall I see them blown into the street. I see them dumped into vacant lots. I see them bagged and thrown into the trash. I see some people compost them. This is just in my neighborhood/not scientific or exhaustive, but it I think it's shortsighted to say that it's a service that only a few in Durham benefit from or use. My sense is that if it were made universal we might see less trash in vacant lots, less flooding of creeks, and fewer streets covered in leaves during the fall/winter months.
Natalie
801 Cleveland St
On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Marge Nordstrom <nordstrom.marge at gmail.com<mailto:nordstrom.marge at gmail.com>> wrote:
That's certainly not the way the letter reads. Plus the increase from the charge of $60/year to $90/year is outlandish.
On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Don Moffitt <don.moffitt at gmail.com<mailto:don.moffitt at gmail.com>> wrote:
The letter is not well written; subscribers to yard service can cancel their service at the end of the fiscal year (June 30). It's an annual service, from July 1 to June 30--once subscribed you're in for the year unless you move.
I feel your pain and did not have an opportunity to discuss or vote on this change.
Don
On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 2:53 PM, Myers Sugg <andrew.sugg at duke.edu<mailto:andrew.sugg at duke.edu>> wrote:
John/John:
So if I decide to pay a yard service to take care of my yard, and remove all yard waste from my site, I can?t unsubscribe to the program? I missed that in my quick read. I think this may boil down to a reduction in funding for solid waste, or a program that costs more. The explanation though leaves big holes in it. If the cost is really $90 per year to run the program, then that is what they need to say, and explain why. If $90 is more than I can or want to pay, then I should be able to leave the program should I want to. Again, I?m appreciative the City offers this program, but unlike water and sewer requirements for healthy and safety reasons, I can?t see yard waste removal rising to that level of importance. I personally would be ok with less frequent collection if it would save any money.
I would also expect rental fees to be accounted for separately internally. Co-mingling of the service fee and rental fee should not be allowed.
Myers
Myers Sugg
Financial Analyst
Fuqua School of Business
Duke University
Box 90120
Durham NC 27708
919-660-8018<tel:919-660-8018>
919-660-7960<tel:919-660-7960>
From: John Martin [mailto:bulldurhamnc at yahoo.com<mailto:bulldurhamnc at yahoo.com>]
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:16 PM
To: Myers Sugg; 'inc-list at lists.deltaforce.net<mailto:inc-list at lists.deltaforce.net>'
Subject: Re: [Durham INC] Yard Waste Carts
Myers,
There was a fair amount of chatter about this on the Old North Durham list serve on Saturday since a number of us got the letter then. You will also notice that you are no longer allowed to discontinue your participation in the program.
Councilman Eugene Brown said that he is looking into this with the City Manager. We'll see what they say. I doubt that any of this is legal.
John
From: "Jackson jacksonsmom at nc.rr.com<mailto:jacksonsmom at nc.rr.com> [oldnorthdurham]" <oldnorthdurham at yahoogroups.com<mailto:oldnorthdurham at yahoogroups.com>>
Date: May 23, 2015 at 6:17:43 PM EDT
To: "oldnorthdurham at yahoogroups.com<mailto:oldnorthdurham at yahoogroups.com>" <oldnorthdurham at yahoogroups.com<mailto:oldnorthdurham at yahoogroups.com>>
Subject: Re: [oldnorthdurham] Yard Waste Letter
Reply-To: oldnorthdurham at yahoogroups.com<mailto:oldnorthdurham at yahoogroups.com>
Thank you so much. I am still sitting here trying to understand the logic behind this. How is it we have bought the thing many times over and now we have to RENT it??
I don't get it.
Robin on West Seeman.
Sent from my iPhone
On May 23, 2015, at 6:10 PM, "Eugene Brown teton at earthlink.net<mailto:teton at earthlink.net> [oldnorthdurham]" <oldnorthdurham at yahoogroups.com<mailto:oldnorthdurham at yahoogroups.com>> wrote:
I am looking into this with the City Manager. Eugene Brown
On May 23, 2015, at 2:05 PM, John Martin bulldurhamnc at yahoo.com<mailto:bulldurhamnc at yahoo.com> [oldnorthdurham] <oldnorthdurham at yahoogroups.com<mailto:oldnorthdurham at yahoogroups.com>> wrote:
Nancy,
I got the same letter this morning. In addition to charging me rent on something I already own, the City also announces that the Yard Waste Program is like the roach motel: you can't check out: "Please note that cancellation of yard waste service is only allowed for customers who are moving and no longer need the service and customers closing their utility water account." So now I have to continue to have yard waste service whether I want it or not, and whether I use it or not.
I bought my yard waste container back in 1998, but I hadn't used the service for several years. Last summer, since I anticipated more yard waste than normal, I signed up again. Little did I know that I had signed up in perpetuity.
This is a small matter, but it is mind-boggling that the City of Durham government can even devise a scheme like this.
John
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From: "Nancy Holliman nkholliman at gmail.com<mailto:nkholliman at gmail.com> [oldnorthdurham]" <oldnorthdurham at yahoogroups.com<mailto:oldnorthdurham at yahoogroups.com>>
To: OND NA <oldnorthdurham at yahoogroups.com<mailto:oldnorthdurham at yahoogroups.com>>
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2015 1:39 PM
Subject: [oldnorthdurham] Yard Waste Letter
Hi neighbors,
I'm assuming any of you who are solid waste customers of the City have or will receive the letter we just got. In it it informs us that "Effective July 1, all carts now have a monthly rental fee regardless of past purchase history." So that means that we get to now pay a rental fee for carts that we previously purchased from the City. Excuse my acronym, but wtf?
I see on their FAQ that they are expecting carts to need to be replaced, as 2008 was the last time carts were available for purchase. Well I believe that our cart has a few years left in it, and it burns me up to rent what we own.
Does anyone know if this change is something approved by the city manager? City council? Who decides this?
Thanks for any info you may have.
Nancy Holliman
W. Lynch St.
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From: Myers Sugg <andrew.sugg at duke.edu<mailto:andrew.sugg at duke.edu>>
To: "'inc-list at lists.deltaforce.net<mailto:inc-list at lists.deltaforce.net>'" <inc-list at lists.deltaforce.net<mailto:inc-list at lists.deltaforce.net>>
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:03 PM
Subject: [Durham INC] Yard Waste Carts
Dear Neighbors:
You may have received the letter today from Donald Long, Solid Waste Director regarding changes in the City?s Yard Waste program. One thing in particular caught my attention. Longtime residents may have, like me, purchased brown yard waste carts back when the City started the brown cart, weekly pickup program, ten plus years ago. The City is now converting everyone to the rental program, and charging an additional $1.50 per month, per cart even for those who purchased their cart outright. I personally don't think this is fair. As I understand it, new customers are required to rent their carts, but for those who started early, you paid, and now you will be required to pay rent for the same plastic bin. IF rental is the only option, then I think a refund should be in order for those who previously paid. If I remember correctly, carts were around $50-$60 each, but I'm not certain. If anyone can remember what the purchase rate was previously, please let me know.
I am of the opinion that composting is best, but for those who have small yards, and large limbs/sticks, it is not always easy to find a place for them. I appreciate the robust yard waste program the City has. When it started, collection was every other week, and the fee was rolled into your property tax rate. The City pulled it out the tax rate and began the fee for service sticker/subscriber program. Initially it was $50, then $60, and now it will basically be $90 per year. That's a significant amount in my opinion. I own 3 carts, and as such, I would pay an additional $54.00 per year to rent something I already purchased. Does anyone else see the problem here?
Comments would be appreciated. Hopefully someone at the City will also see this and offer some insight.
Myers Sugg
James St
TLNA
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From: Reyn Bowman <reynbowman at gmail.com>
To: "steveschewel at gmail.com" <steveschewel at gmail.com>
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Steve - I for one think the charges are very reasonable and a great value and appreciate them moving to monthly. But strategically Natalie makes a great point.
Reyn Bowman
2203 Shoreham St
Durham NC 27707
Www.bullcitymutterings.com
> On May 26, 2015, at 9:06 PM, Myers Sugg <andrew.sugg at duke.edu> wrote:
>
> Steve:
>
> It sounds to me that based on a reply you sent, this is a $90 per year per participant program. Breaking out the carts as items for rent is nonsense. I can buy paper sacks for less than the additional $36.00 I would pay annually for carts 2&3. What is the process for not getting charged for additional carts already owned and in one's possession? This overall change and 25% increase does not appear to be very well thought out. I'd like to hear more from City officials.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Myers Sugg
>
> On May 26, 2015, at 5:35 PM, "TheOcean1 at aol.com" <TheOcean1 at aol.com> wrote:
>
>> I hope Andrew or Natalie will forward this message to INC, as mine don't seem to post there. (INC meets tonight)
>>
>> Steve Schewel, I hope you read Natalie's message very carefully - because.....
>>
>> We know from a horrible experience many years ago, that if you make solid waste (trash) cost anything, or make it a hassle - illegal dumping increases radically!
>>
>> I have believed for years that we have a nearly invisible yard waste dumping problem, Natalie is extra observant since it blends into the landscape far better than bags of garbage.
>> There IS a large cost associated with blowing leaves into the street, and dumping large quantities over embankments. What does it cost to unblock a storm drain?
>>
>> No one really knows. What costs are associated with the resulting street flooding?
>> Ditto, no one knows. (the list continues)
>>
>> I wish I had a suggestion as to what to do about it, but beyond handling it just like garbage as far as how we pay for it, but beyond that, I'm out of ideas.
>>
>> At least we can a little money from running a huge mulch pit, and selling the soil back to the citizens.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> Bill Anderson
>>
>> In a message dated 5/26/2015 4:54:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, natalie.spring at gmail.com writes:
>> I'm curious how many yard waste subscribers there are in Durham. My thinking is this - almost everyone has some sort of yard waste in Durham but only subscribers are getting rid of it according to the solid waste rules. How much would it actually cost to make this program universal for Durham? What amount of tax increase would we as citizens see if the program was made universal. Is it $1 ? Is it $5 a year? Is it $10 a year? Everyone pays for recycling and trash through taxes and yard waste should not be different. If you remember, there was a time when recycling was optional in Durham...
>>
>> I ask because people in this city have leaves- lots of them. During the fall I see them blown into the street. I see them dumped into vacant lots. I see them bagged and thrown into the trash. I see some people compost them. This is just in my neighborhood/not scientific or exhaustive, but it I think it's shortsighted to say that it's a service that only a few in Durham benefit from or use. My sense is that if it were made universal we might see less trash in vacant lots, less flooding of creeks, and fewer streets covered in leaves during the fall/winter months.
>>
>> Natalie
>> 801 Cleveland St
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Marge Nordstrom <nordstrom.marge at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> That's certainly not the way the letter reads. Plus the increase from the charge of $60/year to $90/year is outlandish.
>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Don Moffitt <don.moffitt at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> The letter is not well written; subscribers to yard service can cancel their service at the end of the fiscal year (June 30). It's an annual service, from July 1 to June 30--once subscribed you're in for the year unless you move.
>>>>
>>>> I feel your pain and did not have an opportunity to discuss or vote on this change.
>>>>
>>>> Don
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 2:53 PM, Myers Sugg <andrew.sugg at duke.edu> wrote:
>>>>> John/John:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So if I decide to pay a yard service to take care of my yard, and remove all yard waste from my site, I can?t unsubscribe to the program? I missed that in my quick read. I think this may boil down to a reduction in funding for solid waste, or a program that costs more. The explanation though leaves big holes in it. If the cost is really $90 per year to run the program, then that is what they need to say, and explain why. If $90 is more than I can or want to pay, then I should be able to leave the program should I want to. Again, I?m appreciative the City offers this program, but unlike water and sewer requirements for healthy and safety reasons, I can?t see yard waste removal rising to that level of importance. I personally would be ok with less frequent collection if it would save any money.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I would also expect rental fees to be accounted for separately internally. Co-mingling of the service fee and rental fee should not be allowed.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Myers
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Myers Sugg
>>>>>
>>>>> Financial Analyst
>>>>>
>>>>> Fuqua School of Business
>>>>>
>>>>> Duke University
>>>>>
>>>>> Box 90120
>>>>>
>>>>> Durham NC 27708
>>>>>
>>>>> 919-660-8018
>>>>>
>>>>> 919-660-7960
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: John Martin [mailto:bulldurhamnc at yahoo.com]
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:16 PM
>>>>> To: Myers Sugg; 'inc-list at lists.deltaforce.net'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Durham INC] Yard Waste Carts
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Myers,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There was a fair amount of chatter about this on the Old North Durham list serve on Saturday since a number of us got the letter then. You will also notice that you are no longer allowed to discontinue your participation in the program.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Councilman Eugene Brown said that he is looking into this with the City Manager. We'll see what they say. I doubt that any of this is legal.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: "Jackson jacksonsmom at nc.rr.com [oldnorthdurham]" <oldnorthdurham at yahoogroups.com>
>>>>> Date: May 23, 2015 at 6:17:43 PM EDT
>>>>> To: "oldnorthdurham at yahoogroups.com" <oldnorthdurham at yahoogroups.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [oldnorthdurham] Yard Waste Letter
>>>>> Reply-To: oldnorthdurham at yahoogroups.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you so much. I am still sitting here trying to understand the logic behind this. How is it we have bought the thing many times over and now we have to RENT it??
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't get it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Robin on West Seeman.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 23, 2015, at 6:10 PM, "Eugene Brown teton at earthlink.net [oldnorthdurham]" <oldnorthdurham at yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am looking into this with the City Manager. Eugene Brown
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 23, 2015, at 2:05 PM, John Martin bulldurhamnc at yahoo.com [oldnorthdurham] <oldnorthdurham at yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Nancy,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I got the same letter this morning. In addition to charging me rent on something I already own, the City also announces that the Yard Waste Program is like the roach motel: you can't check out: "Please note that cancellation of yard waste service is only allowed for customers who are moving and no longer need the service and customers closing their utility water account." So now I have to continue to have yard waste service whether I want it or not, and whether I use it or not.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I bought my yard waste container back in 1998, but I hadn't used the service for several years. Last summer, since I anticipated more yard waste than normal, I signed up again. Little did I know that I had signed up in perpetuity.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a small matter, but it is mind-boggling that the City of Durham government can even devise a scheme like this.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: "Nancy Holliman nkholliman at gmail.com [oldnorthdurham]" <oldnorthdurham at yahoogroups.com>
>>>>> To: OND NA <oldnorthdurham at yahoogroups.com>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2015 1:39 PM
>>>>> Subject: [oldnorthdurham] Yard Waste Letter
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi neighbors,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm assuming any of you who are solid waste customers of the City have or will receive the letter we just got. In it it informs us that "Effective July 1, all carts now have a monthly rental fee regardless of past purchase history." So that means that we get to now pay a rental fee for carts that we previously purchased from the City. Excuse my acronym, but wtf?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I see on their FAQ that they are expecting carts to need to be replaced, as 2008 was the last time carts were available for purchase. Well I believe that our cart has a few years left in it, and it burns me up to rent what we own.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone know if this change is something approved by the city manager? City council? Who decides this?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for any info you may have.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nancy Holliman
>>>>>
>>>>> W. Lynch St.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Myers Sugg <andrew.sugg at duke.edu>
>>>>> To: "'inc-list at lists.deltaforce.net'" <inc-list at lists.deltaforce.net>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:03 PM
>>>>> Subject: [Durham INC] Yard Waste Carts
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Neighbors:
>>>>>
>>>>> You may have received the letter today from Donald Long, Solid Waste Director regarding changes in the City?s Yard Waste program. One thing in particular caught my attention. Longtime residents may have, like me, purchased brown yard waste carts back when the City started the brown cart, weekly pickup program, ten plus years ago. The City is now converting everyone to the rental program, and charging an additional $1.50 per month, per cart even for those who purchased their cart outright. I personally don't think this is fair. As I understand it, new customers are required to rent their carts, but for those who started early, you paid, and now you will be required to pay rent for the same plastic bin. IF rental is the only option, then I think a refund should be in order for those who previously paid. If I remember correctly, carts were around $50-$60 each, but I'm not certain. If anyone can remember what the purchase rate was previously, please let me know.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am of the opinion that composting is best, but for those who have small yards, and large limbs/sticks, it is not always easy to find a place for them. I appreciate the robust yard waste program the City has. When it started, collection was every other week, and the fee was rolled into your property tax rate. The City pulled it out the tax rate and began the fee for service sticker/subscriber program. Initially it was $50, then $60, and now it will basically be $90 per year. That's a significant amount in my opinion. I own 3 carts, and as such, I would pay an additional $54.00 per year to rent something I already purchased. Does anyone else see the problem here?
>>>>>
>>>>> Comments would be appreciated. Hopefully someone at the City will also see this and offer some insight.
>>>>>
>>>>> Myers Sugg
>>>>>
>>>>> James St
>>>>>
>>>>> TLNA
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 09:32:19 -0400
From: "Bruce Mitchell" <bruce at paintingsbybruce.com>
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Subject: [Durham INC] Tomorrow: Greystone Apartments redesign
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Redesigned plans for Greystone Apartments are nearing completion and Lomax
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interested parties to attend a presentation about the plans tomorrow
evening. Here are the details:
What: Presentation of development plans for Greystone Apartments by Lomax
Properties LLC
When: Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 6 PM
Where: Greystone Inn & Conference Center, 618 Morehead Ave. Durham NC 27707
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Share! June 29 deadline to apply for Durham's Public Art Committee; http://bit.ly/1JViZ6i
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DURHAM, N.C. - Durham residents with a love for art now have another opportunity to serve on the Durham Cultural Advisory Board Public Art Committee.
The Board, charged with advising the City Council on implementation of the Public Art Policy approved in November 2011, is searching for five new members to fill Public Art Committee positions replacing terms that expire on June 30, 2015. Members serve for two-year terms to begin in July 2015.
The Durham Cultural Advisory Board<http://durhamnc.gov/ich/cb/oewd/Pages/DurhamCulturalAdvisoryBoard.aspx> serves as an advisory body to the City Council and the City Administration. The Public Art Committee advises the Board and acts on behalf of the Board on matters relating to public art in the City of Durham.
The committee is charged with assisting the City of Durham's Office of Economic and Workforce Development<http://durhamnc.gov/ich/cb/oewd/Pages/Home.aspx> and advising on the implementation of the Public Art Policy. The committee also reviews proposals for public art projects brought to it by the City Administration and makes recommendations to the Durham Cultural Advisory Board regarding project approvals.
The committee meets on the third Wednesday of each month at 8:30 a.m. at the Durham Arts Council in downtown Durham. Members serve without compensation and must reside or work within the city limits, and actively contribute to the cultural and economic sectors. Priority in appointments will be given to city residents. The application deadline is 5 p.m. on Monday, June 29, 2015, and applications can be downloaded from the City's website<http://durhamnc.gov/ich/cb/oewd/Pages/Public_Art.aspx>.
Completed applications should be sent to Senior Manager for Economic Development Grace Dzidzienyo with the City's Office of Economic and Workforce Development at 807 E. Main St., Suite 5-100, Durham, N.C. 27701. For more information, contact Dzidzienyo by email<mailto:Grace.Dzidzienyo at DurhamNC.gov> or call (919) 560-4965, ext. 15206.
About the Office of Economic & Workforce Development
Guided by the City's Strategic Plan<http://www.durhamnc.gov/StrategicPlan/Goals/>, the Office of Economic & Workforce Development<http://www.durhameconomicdevelopment.org/> helps ensure that Durham has a strong and diverse economy by increasing the city's tax base through several revitalization initiatives, including new development efforts in the central city area. The department also plans and promotes cultural awareness and events, identifies and recruits target industries as well as assesses and trains Durham residents to fill new jobs.
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