<html>
  <head>
    <meta content="text/html; charset=utf-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
  </head>
  <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
    This is really the only topic with any meat to it. So we can do it
    at the beginning.<br>
    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doug Newman - NASA Earthdata Operations Lead
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:douglas.j.newman@nasa.gov">douglas.j.newman@nasa.gov</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:doug_newman@raytheon.com">doug_newman@raytheon.com</a>
Raytheon Mission Support Solutions Intelligence, Information and Services | NASA | ECS Evolution Development Program
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://earthdata.nasa.gov/">http://earthdata.nasa.gov/</a>

Note: I am not a government employee and have no legal authority to obligate any federal, state, or local government to perform any action of payment.</pre>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/13/15 7:39 AM, Lynnes,
      Christopher S. (GSFC-5860) wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote cite="mid:F47847B4-9870-4F32-9A62-9A3932B08831@nasa.gov"
      type="cite">
      <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
      Unfortunately, I will be in another telecon at the time of the
      ESIP Discovery telecon.  If we do discuss Ruth’s proposal, can you
      set it for a specific time, either at the beginning or the end of
      the hour, so that I can duck out of my other telecon?
      <div class=""><br class="">
        <div>
          <blockquote type="cite" class="">
            <div class="">On Oct 13, 2015, at 7:27 AM, Lynnes,
              Christopher S. (GSFC-6102) <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:christopher.s.lynnes@nasa.gov" class="">christopher.s.lynnes@nasa.gov</a>>
              wrote:</div>
            <br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
            <div class="">
              <div style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px;
                font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight:
                normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal;
                orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
                text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto;
                word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"
                class="">
                <blockquote type="cite" class="">
                  <div class=""><br class="">
                    On Oct 12, 2015, at 4:27 PM, Ruth Duerr via
                    Esip-discovery <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:esip-discovery@lists.esipfed.org"
                      class="">esip-discovery@lists.esipfed.org</a>>
                    wrote:</div>
                  <div class="">
                    <div class="" style="word-wrap: break-word;
                      -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break:
                      after-white-space;">
                      Hi Doug,
                      <div class=""><br class="">
                      </div>
                      <div class="">I’ve got a list of potential
                        improvements to the OpenSearch spec/best
                        practices that we ought to discuss though some
                        are also recommendations for web service
                        documentation in general.  See below…</div>
                      <div class=""><br class="">
                      </div>
                      <div class="">Ruth<br class="">
                        <br class="">
                        Currently, there is no way to tell whether an
                        open search end point is describing a data set
                        search or a granule search or what.  There needs
                        to be a way to state that (naming practices just
                        don’t work).  </div>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                </blockquote>
                <div class=""><br class="">
                </div>
                These all represent some pretty significant changes, or
                rather enhancements. So without trying to expand the
                shopping list of features too much, I would like to add:</div>
              <div style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px;
                font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight:
                normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal;
                orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
                text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto;
                word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"
                class="">
                o  First, Do No Harm, i.e., don’t break existing uses of
                OpenSearch</div>
              <div style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px;
                font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight:
                normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal;
                orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
                text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto;
                word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"
                class="">
                o  Accommodate/identify virtual data collections (i.e.,
                thematic heterogeneous sets of data and information
                resources, like a volcanic eruption virtual collection)</div>
              <div style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px;
                font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight:
                normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal;
                orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
                text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto;
                word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"
                class="">
                o  Partition these features between the
                standard/convention/spec (like extensions or added
                parameters) and best practices (like link on dataset
                landing page).</div>
              <div style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px;
                font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight:
                normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal;
                orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
                text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto;
                word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"
                class="">
                <br class="">
                <blockquote type="cite" class="">
                  <div class="">
                    <div class="" style="word-wrap: break-word;
                      -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break:
                      after-white-space;">
                      <div class="">A parameter could do this or some
                        other extension would be needed.  It would need
                        to handle generic well-defined parameters so it
                        could be validated with standard XML tooling
                        (namespacing a substring within an attribute is
                        not a safe long-term solution). At that point,
                        we ought to define an exemplar for the nested
                        search. <br class="">
                        <br class="">
                        OSDD rel link references should be included in
                        any child OSDD throughout any OSDD hierarchy, so
                        that traveling both up and down the hierarchy is
                        possible and easy.</div>
                      <div class=""><br class="">
                        Put the parent OSDD rel link in the ATOM result
                        set (rss is an issue). Basic provenance. Just
                        part of the feed metadata before the item list. <br
                          class="">
                        <br class="">
                        Recommend ATOM. <br class="">
                        <br class="">
                        Make some recommendations for semantic markup in
                        the result set content. Commonplace practice is
                        to encode that as HTML so let's take advantage
                        of that and include rel tags for dataset,
                        landing page, etc, and <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="http://schema.org/" class="">schema.org</a> tags

                        if that's still of use. We have, I think, been
                        neglecting the utility of the search response to
                        everyone (crawler, broker, person at a keyboard)
                        and that is, frankly, the place where we
                        actually get an understanding of data/no data.
                        So let's make it useful.<br class="">
                        <br class="">
                        We need some structure to support
                        enumerations/controlled vocabs per parameter and
                        an understanding of how these work with the
                        optional/required parameters. <br class="">
                        <br class="">
                        Also, shouldn’t each web service like this have
                        a unique identifier? What is a unique identifier
                        for an OpenSearch? For a dataset OpenSearch?<br
                          class="">
                        <div class=""><br class="">
                        </div>
                        Lastly, shouldn't the best practice include
                        having these service links on a data set’s
                        landing page?</div>
                      <div class=""><br class="">
                      </div>
                      <div class=""><br class="">
                        <div class="">
                          <blockquote type="cite" class="">
                            <div class="">On Oct 12, 2015, at 2:11 PM,
                              Doug Newman via Esip-discovery <<a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:esip-discovery@lists.esipfed.org"
                                class=""><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:esip-discovery@lists.esipfed.org">esip-discovery@lists.esipfed.org</a></a>>
                              wrote:</div>
                            <br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
                            <div class="">
                              <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"
                                class="">Ladies and gentlemen,<br
                                  class="">
                                <br class="">
                                Link:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                                  href="http://wiki.esipfed.org/index.php/Discovery_Telecon_2015-09-14"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.esipfed.org/index.php/Discovery_Telecon_2015-09-14">http://wiki.esipfed.org/index.php/Discovery_Telecon_2015-09-14</a></a><br
                                  class="">
                                <br class="">
                                <h2 class=""><span class="mw-headline"
                                    id="Pending_Actions">Pending Actions<span
                                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></h2>
                                <ul class="">
                                  <li class="">ESRI and Open Search Best
                                    Practices - Doug. In progress</li>
                                  <li class="">Review Web Service
                                    Mission statement<span
                                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true" class="
                                      external free"
                                      href="http://wiki.esipfed.org/index.php/WebServiceMission"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.esipfed.org/index.php/WebServiceMission">http://wiki.esipfed.org/index.php/WebServiceMission</a></a><span
                                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>-
                                    ALL</li>
                                  <li class="">Re-visit NCEI geoportal
                                    server OpenSearch capabilities using
                                    CWICSmart OpenSearch Client -
                                    Yuanjie Li</li>
                                  <li class="">ESO - Make decision on
                                    whether to wait for Draft 2 of CEOS
                                    BP or recommend CEOS BP + CEOS DEV
                                    Guide as standard for OpenSearch</li>
                                  <li class="">Contact Erin regarding
                                    the note taker for the ESIP session
                                    on Service Discovery - Ruth</li>
                                  <li class="">Continue to investigate
                                    opening up Web Services Cluster -
                                    Soren</li>
                                  <li class="">Monitor situation on AGU
                                    Union Demo session for suitability
                                    of 'Global OpenSearch' Demo - Doug
                                    <ul class="">
                                    </ul>
                                  </li>
                                </ul>
                                <h2 class=""><span class="editsection"></span><span
                                    class="mw-headline" id="Agenda">Agenda<span
                                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></h2>
                                <ul class="">
                                  <li class="">OpenSearch Validation
                                    Tool</li>
                                  <li class="">OpenSearch standards
                                    decision</li>
                                  <li class="">Web Services Cluster</li>
                                </ul>
                                <h2 class=""><span class="mw-headline"
                                    id="Webex_Info">Webex Info<span
                                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></h2>
                                <p class="">To Join the online portion
                                  of the Personal Conference meeting<span
                                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p>
                                <hr class="">
                                <ol class="">
                                  <li class="">Go to<span
                                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      class="external free"
                                      href="https://esipfed.webex.com/"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://esipfed.webex.com">https://esipfed.webex.com</a></a></li>
                                  <li class="">Click the “Meeting
                                    Center” tab<span
                                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></li>
                                  <li class="">Select the Discovery<span
                                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></li>
                                </ol>
                                <p class="">If a password is required,
                                  enter the Meeting Password: 23138372<span
                                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p>
                                <p class="">To start the audio portion
                                  of the Personal Conference meeting w/
                                  phone<span
                                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p>
                                <hr class="">
                                <ul class="">
                                  <li class="">Call-in toll-free number
                                    (US/Canada): 1-877-668-4493<span
                                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></li>
                                  <li class="">Call-in toll number
                                    (US/Canada): +1-408-600-3600<span
                                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></li>
                                  <li class="">Call-in toll number
                                    (US/Canada)*: +1-571-918-6008<span
                                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></li>
                                </ul>
                                <p class="">Attendee access code: 231
                                  383 72<span
                                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p>
                                <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 
Doug Newman - NASA Earthdata Operations Lead
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:douglas.j.newman@nasa.gov">douglas.j.newman@nasa.gov</a>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:doug_newman@raytheon.com">doug_newman@raytheon.com</a>
Raytheon Mission Support Solutions Intelligence, Information and Services | NASA | ECS Evolution Development Program
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://earthdata.nasa.gov/">http://earthdata.nasa.gov/</a>

Note: I am not a government employee and have no legal authority to obligate any federal, state, or local government to perform any action of payment.</pre>
                              </div>
_______________________________________________<br class="">
                              Esip-discovery mailing list<br class="">
                              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:Esip-discovery@lists.esipfed.org"
                                class="">Esip-discovery@lists.esipfed.org</a><br
                                class="">
                              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="http://lists.deltaforce.net/mailman/listinfo/esip-discovery"
                                class="">http://lists.deltaforce.net/mailman/listinfo/esip-discovery</a><br
                                class="">
                            </div>
                          </blockquote>
                        </div>
                        <br class="">
                      </div>
                    </div>
                    _______________________________________________<br
                      class="">
                    Esip-discovery mailing list<br class="">
                    <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:Esip-discovery@lists.esipfed.org"
                      class="">Esip-discovery@lists.esipfed.org</a><br
                      class="">
                    <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="http://lists.deltaforce.net/mailman/listinfo/esip-discovery"
                      class="">http://lists.deltaforce.net/mailman/listinfo/esip-discovery</a><br
                      class="">
                  </div>
                </blockquote>
              </div>
              <br class="" style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size:
                12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal;
                font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal;
                line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start;
                text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
                normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px;
                -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">
              <div class="" style="font-family: Menlo-Regular;
                font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant:
                normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal;
                line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start;
                text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
                normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px;
                -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">
                <div class="">
                  <div class="" style="orphans: 2; text-align:
                    -webkit-auto; widows: 2; word-wrap: break-word;
                    -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break:
                    after-white-space;">
                    --</div>
                  <div class="" style="orphans: 2; text-align:
                    -webkit-auto; widows: 2; word-wrap: break-word;
                    -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break:
                    after-white-space;">
                    Christopher Lynnes    NASA/GSFC  301-614-5185</div>
                  <div class="" style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;"><span
                      class="" style="text-align: -webkit-auto;">“</span><span
                      class="" style="orphans: auto; widows: 1;">We
                      choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the
                      other things, not because they are easy, but
                      because they are hard...</span><span class=""
                      style="text-align: -webkit-auto;">" - John F.
                      Kennedy</span></div>
                </div>
              </div>
            </div>
          </blockquote>
        </div>
        <br class="">
        <div class="">
          <div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal;
            orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
            text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto;
            word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
            word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space;
            -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">
            <div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal;
              orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
              text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto;
              word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
              word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space;
              -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">
              <div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo;
                font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight:
                normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal;
                orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px;
                text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2;
                word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
                word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space;
                -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">
                <div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo;
                  font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight:
                  normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal;
                  orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent:
                  0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
                  widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px;
                  -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word;
                  -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break:
                  after-white-space;" class="">
                  <div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo;
                    font-style: normal; font-variant: normal;
                    font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal;
                    line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align:
                    -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:
                    none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing:
                    0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap:
                    break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space;
                    -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">
                    --</div>
                  <div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo;
                    font-style: normal; font-variant: normal;
                    font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal;
                    line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align:
                    -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:
                    none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing:
                    0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap:
                    break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space;
                    -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">
                    Christopher Lynnes    NASA/GSFC  301-614-5185
                    <div class="">"The future is already here
                      — it's just not very evenly distributed." - Wm.
                      Gibson<br class="">
                      <br class="">
                    </div>
                  </div>
                </div>
              </div>
            </div>
          </div>
        </div>
        <br class="">
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
  </body>
</html>