[Esip-preserve] AGU Position statement on data preservation and a townhall meeting
Ruth Duerr
rduerr at nsidc.org
Wed Aug 12 19:51:31 EDT 2009
I agree with Mark about removing the "long-term.." phrase. I also
like it, though I might also change "sustainable" to "verifiable.
- Ruth
"
On Aug 12, 2009, at 5:38 PM, Mark A. Parsons wrote:
> I like it, Rob, but I might remove the "long-term data stewardship"
> prefix or make it a suffix. We want it to be obviously and directly
> relevant to AGU scientists.
>
> Cheers,
>
> -m.
> On 12 Aug 2009, at 5:35 PM, Raskin, Rob (388M) wrote:
>
>> And here is another possible title, somewhat of a compromise
>> between Bernard's and Ruth's suggestions:
>>
>> "Long-term data stewardship: Peer-reviewed data publication and
>> other strategies to ensure sustainable science"
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>> Rob Raskin
>> Group Supervisor, Science Data Engineering and Archiving
>> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section
>> Jet Propulsion Laboratory
>> Pasadena, CA 91109
>> (818) 354-4228
>> ________________________________________
>> From: esip-preserve-bounces at rtpnet.org [esip-preserve-bounces at rtpnet.org
>> ] On Behalf Of Jean-Bernard Minster [jbminster at ucsd.edu]
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 15:33
>> To: Ruth Duerr
>> Cc: David M Clark; ESIP Preservation cluster
>> Subject: Re: [Esip-preserve] AGU Position statement on data
>> preservation and a townhall meeting
>>
>> All:
>> I agree to be a co-sponsor and to present the AGU statement.
>>
>> I also agree with Ruth that the town hall meeting will be more
>> successful if it is more focused.
>>
>> I do not concur with Ruth's suggested title, though. While most AGU
>> members will agree with the broad statements about data, and perhaps
>> will not contribute much to the town hall, the issue that I think
>> should be front and center is "the publication OF data". What is
>> required is a fundamental change of mind-set in the research
>> community
>> (especially academia). People who put together verifiable and
>> corrected, and calibrated, etc data sets do not have a way to place
>> this in their list of publications, and often are passed over for
>> promotion, tenure, etc, compared to their colleagues who use their
>> data! This is a difficult issue that calls for a community
>> discussion. I would offer something more like:
>>
>> "Peer-reviewed publication of data: the undervalued contribution to
>> verifiable science"
>>
>> .... Just my view!
>> Cheers,
>> Bernard
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Jean-Bernard Minster e-mail: jbminster at ucsd.edu
>> Professor of Geophysics Phone: (858)534-5650
>> FAX: (858) 534-2902
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>>
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>>
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>>
>> On Aug 12, 2009, at 2:00 PM, Ruth Duerr wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Mark,
>>>
>>> The AGU statement is very broad. While we could co-sponsor a
>>> session
>>> with a similarly broad focus, it might be more practical to limit
>>> the
>>> session much as you suggest, though I think the session should
>>> address
>>> both producers and consumers of data.
>>>
>>> How about a title like "Research, Publications, and Data:
>>> Practices to
>>> Ensure Verifiable Science" - I think such a title lends itself to
>>> that
>>> slightly broader focus and would allow discussion of identifiers
>>> in a
>>> more direct manner. It's not a great title, so if someone else has
>>> something catchier that gets the point across, please suggest it!
>>>
>>> Other than that, I think your general approach works for me. Any
>>> other ideas?
>>>
>>> - Ruth
>>>
>>> On Aug 12, 2009, at 2:37 PM, Mark A. Parsons wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi ESIP preservationists,
>>>>
>>>> The AGU position statement on "The Importance of Long-term
>>>> Preservation and Accessibility of Geophysical Data" was approved by
>>>> the AGU Council last spring and is available at http://www.agu.org/outreach/science_policy/positions/geodata.shtml
>>>>
>>>> Note the last sentence in the fifth paragraph:
>>>> "The scientific community should recognize the professional value
>>>> of
>>>> such [data production] activities by endorsing the concept of
>>>> publication of data, to be credited and cited like the products of
>>>> any other scientific activity, and encouraging peer-review of such
>>>> publications."
>>>>
>>>> Bernard Minster (copied), chair of the panel that wrote the new
>>>> position statement, likes the idea of a townhall meeting, and I
>>>> believe would be willing to coconvene with us. I'm happy to help
>>>> too.
>>>>
>>>> The task now is to draft an abstract. I'm willing to take a first
>>>> crack, if y'all agree the topic. I suggest something like
>>>> "Research
>>>> publication and data referencing practices to ensure verifiable
>>>> science, sponsored by the AGU Data Panel and the ESIP Preservation
>>>> and Stewardship Cluster"
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps, Bernard could introduce the position statement. Rob or
>>>> Ruth
>>>> could speak on ESIP approaches/best practices (including the work
>>>> on
>>>> identifiers). I could then moderate a discussion.
>>>>
>>>> Let me know what y'all think?
>>>>
>>>> Finally, I note that the International Polar Year developed some
>>>> data citation guidelines that may be useful: http://ipydis.org/data/citations.html
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> -m.
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