[Esip-preserve] AGU Position statement on data preservation and a townhall meeting
Robert R. Downs
rdowns at ciesin.columbia.edu
Thu Aug 13 08:56:59 EDT 2009
I also agree and suggest that we choose the second title that Bernard
has offered:
Peer-reviewed data publication and other strategies to sustain
verifiable science
Thanks,
Bob Downs
Jean-Bernard Minster wrote:
> I agree. So we are left with:
>
> Peer-reviewed data publication and other strategies to ensure
> verifiable science
>
> Or if we want our cake and eat it too:
>
> Peer-reviewed data publication and other strategies to sustain
> verifiable science
>
>
> :-)
> Bernard
>
>
>
> On Aug 12, 2009, at 4:51 PM, Ruth Duerr wrote:
>
>> I agree with Mark about removing the "long-term.." phrase. I also
>> like it, though I might also change "sustainable" to "verifiable.
>>
>> - Ruth
>> "
>> On Aug 12, 2009, at 5:38 PM, Mark A. Parsons wrote:
>>
>>> I like it, Rob, but I might remove the "long-term data stewardship"
>>> prefix or make it a suffix. We want it to be obviously and directly
>>> relevant to AGU scientists.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> -m.
>>> On 12 Aug 2009, at 5:35 PM, Raskin, Rob (388M) wrote:
>>>
>>>> And here is another possible title, somewhat of a compromise
>>>> between Bernard's and Ruth's suggestions:
>>>>
>>>> "Long-term data stewardship: Peer-reviewed data publication and
>>>> other strategies to ensure sustainable science"
>>>>
>>>> -Rob
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>> Rob Raskin
>>>> Group Supervisor, Science Data Engineering and Archiving
>>>> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section
>>>> Jet Propulsion Laboratory
>>>> Pasadena, CA 91109
>>>> (818) 354-4228
>>>> ________________________________________
>>>> From: esip-preserve-bounces at rtpnet.org
>>>> [esip-preserve-bounces at rtpnet.org
>>>> ] On Behalf Of Jean-Bernard Minster [jbminster at ucsd.edu]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 15:33
>>>> To: Ruth Duerr
>>>> Cc: David M Clark; ESIP Preservation cluster
>>>> Subject: Re: [Esip-preserve] AGU Position statement on data
>>>> preservation and a townhall meeting
>>>>
>>>> All:
>>>> I agree to be a co-sponsor and to present the AGU statement.
>>>>
>>>> I also agree with Ruth that the town hall meeting will be more
>>>> successful if it is more focused.
>>>>
>>>> I do not concur with Ruth's suggested title, though. While most AGU
>>>> members will agree with the broad statements about data, and perhaps
>>>> will not contribute much to the town hall, the issue that I think
>>>> should be front and center is "the publication OF data". What is
>>>> required is a fundamental change of mind-set in the research
>>>> community
>>>> (especially academia). People who put together verifiable and
>>>> corrected, and calibrated, etc data sets do not have a way to place
>>>> this in their list of publications, and often are passed over for
>>>> promotion, tenure, etc, compared to their colleagues who use their
>>>> data! This is a difficult issue that calls for a community
>>>> discussion. I would offer something more like:
>>>>
>>>> "Peer-reviewed publication of data: the undervalued contribution to
>>>> verifiable science"
>>>>
>>>> .... Just my view!
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Bernard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jean-Bernard Minster e-mail: jbminster at ucsd.edu
>>>> Professor of Geophysics Phone: (858)534-5650
>>>> FAX: (858) 534-2902
>>>> WWW:
>>>> http://igpp-sw.ucsd.edu/
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> On Aug 12, 2009, at 2:00 PM, Ruth Duerr wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Mark,
>>>>>
>>>>> The AGU statement is very broad. While we could co-sponsor a
>>>>> session
>>>>> with a similarly broad focus, it might be more practical to limit
>>>>> the
>>>>> session much as you suggest, though I think the session should
>>>>> address
>>>>> both producers and consumers of data.
>>>>>
>>>>> How about a title like "Research, Publications, and Data:
>>>>> Practices to
>>>>> Ensure Verifiable Science" - I think such a title lends itself to
>>>>> that
>>>>> slightly broader focus and would allow discussion of identifiers
>>>>> in a
>>>>> more direct manner. It's not a great title, so if someone else has
>>>>> something catchier that gets the point across, please suggest it!
>>>>>
>>>>> Other than that, I think your general approach works for me. Any
>>>>> other ideas?
>>>>>
>>>>> - Ruth
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 12, 2009, at 2:37 PM, Mark A. Parsons wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi ESIP preservationists,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The AGU position statement on "The Importance of Long-term
>>>>>> Preservation and Accessibility of Geophysical Data" was approved by
>>>>>> the AGU Council last spring and is available at
>>>>>> http://www.agu.org/outreach/science_policy/positions/geodata.shtml
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Note the last sentence in the fifth paragraph:
>>>>>> "The scientific community should recognize the professional value
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> such [data production] activities by endorsing the concept of
>>>>>> publication of data, to be credited and cited like the products of
>>>>>> any other scientific activity, and encouraging peer-review of such
>>>>>> publications."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bernard Minster (copied), chair of the panel that wrote the new
>>>>>> position statement, likes the idea of a townhall meeting, and I
>>>>>> believe would be willing to coconvene with us. I'm happy to help
>>>>>> too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The task now is to draft an abstract. I'm willing to take a first
>>>>>> crack, if y'all agree the topic. I suggest something like
>>>>>> "Research
>>>>>> publication and data referencing practices to ensure verifiable
>>>>>> science, sponsored by the AGU Data Panel and the ESIP Preservation
>>>>>> and Stewardship Cluster"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Perhaps, Bernard could introduce the position statement. Rob or
>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>> could speak on ESIP approaches/best practices (including the work
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> identifiers). I could then moderate a discussion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me know what y'all think?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Finally, I note that the International Polar Year developed some
>>>>>> data citation guidelines that may be useful:
>>>>>> http://ipydis.org/data/citations.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -m.
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