[Esip-preserve] AGU Position statement on data preservation and a townhall meeting
Peter Fox
pfox at cs.rpi.edu
Thu Aug 13 11:51:24 EDT 2009
Hi all, a note on the TH organization. At the PC meeting a number of
us lobbied
for additional TH nights,
Sunday, 13 December, 1830h–1930h; Monday, 14 December, 1930h–2030h;
and Thursday, 17 December, 1830h–1930h.
So please take that into account as part of the submission and the
audience you want to
attract.
---Peter.
On 13/08/2009, at 11:45 AM, Mark A. Parsons wrote:
> I agree. I'll draft an abstract based on that title and send it
> around for review.
>
> Cheers,
>
> -m.
> On 13 Aug 2009, at 8:06 AM, Ramapriyan, Hampapuram K. (GSFC-4230)
> wrote:
>
>> Bernard,
>>
>> I would love to have as well as eat the cake! I like your second
>> title.
>>
>> Rama.
>>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: esip-preserve-bounces at rtpnet.org [mailto:esip-preserve-bounces at rtpnet.org
>> ] On Behalf Of Jean-Bernard Minster
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 8:10 PM
>> To: Ruth Duerr
>> Cc: David M Clark; ESIP Preservation cluster
>> Subject: Re: [Esip-preserve] AGU Position statement on data
>> preservation and a townhall meeting
>>
>> I agree. So we are left with:
>>
>> Peer-reviewed data publication and other strategies to ensure
>> verifiable science
>>
>> Or if we want our cake and eat it too:
>>
>> Peer-reviewed data publication and other strategies to sustain
>> verifiable science
>>
>>
>> :-)
>> Bernard
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 12, 2009, at 4:51 PM, Ruth Duerr wrote:
>>
>>> I agree with Mark about removing the "long-term.." phrase. I also
>>> like it, though I might also change "sustainable" to "verifiable.
>>>
>>> - Ruth
>>> "
>>> On Aug 12, 2009, at 5:38 PM, Mark A. Parsons wrote:
>>>
>>>> I like it, Rob, but I might remove the "long-term data stewardship"
>>>> prefix or make it a suffix. We want it to be obviously and directly
>>>> relevant to AGU scientists.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> -m.
>>>> On 12 Aug 2009, at 5:35 PM, Raskin, Rob (388M) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> And here is another possible title, somewhat of a compromise
>>>>> between Bernard's and Ruth's suggestions:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Long-term data stewardship: Peer-reviewed data publication and
>>>>> other strategies to ensure sustainable science"
>>>>>
>>>>> -Rob
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>> Rob Raskin
>>>>> Group Supervisor, Science Data Engineering and Archiving
>>>>> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section
>>>>> Jet Propulsion Laboratory
>>>>> Pasadena, CA 91109
>>>>> (818) 354-4228
>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>> From: esip-preserve-bounces at rtpnet.org [esip-preserve-bounces at rtpnet.org
>>>>> ] On Behalf Of Jean-Bernard Minster [jbminster at ucsd.edu]
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 15:33
>>>>> To: Ruth Duerr
>>>>> Cc: David M Clark; ESIP Preservation cluster
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Esip-preserve] AGU Position statement on data
>>>>> preservation and a townhall meeting
>>>>>
>>>>> All:
>>>>> I agree to be a co-sponsor and to present the AGU statement.
>>>>>
>>>>> I also agree with Ruth that the town hall meeting will be more
>>>>> successful if it is more focused.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do not concur with Ruth's suggested title, though. While most
>>>>> AGU
>>>>> members will agree with the broad statements about data, and
>>>>> perhaps
>>>>> will not contribute much to the town hall, the issue that I think
>>>>> should be front and center is "the publication OF data". What is
>>>>> required is a fundamental change of mind-set in the research
>>>>> community
>>>>> (especially academia). People who put together verifiable and
>>>>> corrected, and calibrated, etc data sets do not have a way to
>>>>> place
>>>>> this in their list of publications, and often are passed over for
>>>>> promotion, tenure, etc, compared to their colleagues who use their
>>>>> data! This is a difficult issue that calls for a community
>>>>> discussion. I would offer something more like:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Peer-reviewed publication of data: the undervalued contribution
>>>>> to
>>>>> verifiable science"
>>>>>
>>>>> .... Just my view!
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Bernard
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jean-Bernard Minster e-mail: jbminster at ucsd.edu
>>>>> Professor of Geophysics Phone: (858)534-5650
>>>>> FAX: (858) 534-2902
>>>>> WWW: http://igpp-sw.ucsd.edu/
>>>>>
>>>>> Scripps Institution of Oceanography
>>>>> University of California
>>>>> IGPP (0225)
>>>>> La Jolla, CA 92093
>>>>>
>>>>> FEDEX Address:
>>>>> IGPP Rm 2210
>>>>> Scripps Institution of Oceanography
>>>>> 8765 Biological Grade, EAMS Code 6317
>>>>> La Jolla, CA 92037
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 12, 2009, at 2:00 PM, Ruth Duerr wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Mark,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The AGU statement is very broad. While we could co-sponsor a
>>>>>> session
>>>>>> with a similarly broad focus, it might be more practical to limit
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> session much as you suggest, though I think the session should
>>>>>> address
>>>>>> both producers and consumers of data.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How about a title like "Research, Publications, and Data:
>>>>>> Practices to
>>>>>> Ensure Verifiable Science" - I think such a title lends itself to
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> slightly broader focus and would allow discussion of identifiers
>>>>>> in a
>>>>>> more direct manner. It's not a great title, so if someone else
>>>>>> has
>>>>>> something catchier that gets the point across, please suggest it!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Other than that, I think your general approach works for me. Any
>>>>>> other ideas?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Ruth
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 12, 2009, at 2:37 PM, Mark A. Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi ESIP preservationists,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The AGU position statement on "The Importance of Long-term
>>>>>>> Preservation and Accessibility of Geophysical Data" was approved
>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>> the AGU Council last spring and is available at http://www.agu.org/outreach/science_policy/positions/geodata.shtml
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Note the last sentence in the fifth paragraph:
>>>>>>> "The scientific community should recognize the professional
>>>>>>> value
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> such [data production] activities by endorsing the concept of
>>>>>>> publication of data, to be credited and cited like the
>>>>>>> products of
>>>>>>> any other scientific activity, and encouraging peer-review of
>>>>>>> such
>>>>>>> publications."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bernard Minster (copied), chair of the panel that wrote the new
>>>>>>> position statement, likes the idea of a townhall meeting, and I
>>>>>>> believe would be willing to coconvene with us. I'm happy to help
>>>>>>> too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The task now is to draft an abstract. I'm willing to take a
>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>> crack, if y'all agree the topic. I suggest something like
>>>>>>> "Research
>>>>>>> publication and data referencing practices to ensure verifiable
>>>>>>> science, sponsored by the AGU Data Panel and the ESIP
>>>>>>> Preservation
>>>>>>> and Stewardship Cluster"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Perhaps, Bernard could introduce the position statement. Rob or
>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>> could speak on ESIP approaches/best practices (including the
>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> identifiers). I could then moderate a discussion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let me know what y'all think?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Finally, I note that the International Polar Year developed some
>>>>>>> data citation guidelines that may be useful: http://ipydis.org/data/citations.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -m.
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