[Esip-preserve] ESIP Citation Guidelines

Tue Oct 12 10:15:24 EDT 2010

These e-mails are buzzing by me so fast, I can hardly read them all, let alone respond constructively. Very interesting discussions. 

There are at least two aspects regarding citations. First is the technical issue of getting it right. The second is the cultural issue. I think all the discussions so far have focused on the first aspect. 

Regarding the second, I don't think we are even at the stage where all authors are consistently making even a simple "citation" such as "I got the datasets A, B and C used in this paper from Data Center X". I guess it will take time for the culture to change.

Rama.

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From: esip-preserve-bounces at lists.esipfed.org [mailto:esip-preserve-bounces at lists.esipfed.org] On Behalf Of Lynnes, Christopher S. (GSFC-6102)
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 9:58 AM
To: Mark A. Parsons
Cc: esip-preserve at lists.esipfed.org
Subject: Re: [Esip-preserve] ESIP Citation Guidelines

On Oct 12, 2010, at 9:47 AM, Mark A. Parsons wrote:

> Yes, this is a good approach, Chris. similar to the 4 use cases outlined in the identifier paper.
> 
> We also need to consider the perspective of Joe Data User. "How do I cite a data set I used in my paper?" Like most existing data, the data set has no special identifiers.

Hopefully not for too much longer.  A consensus is forming around DOIs as special identifiers--if only we could proceed forward with a more widespread implementation (something I will be bringing up at the ESDSWG meeting in New Orleans).

Also, note the reciprocal Joe User use case:  How can I get the same data that I saw cited in the paper?

> What's the user to do? I would say follow the IPY Guidelines. 
> 
> -m.
> On 12 Oct 2010, at 6:00 AM, Lynnes, Christopher S. (GSFC-6102) wrote:
> 
>> I'm only half Scandinavian, so my view is not so pessimistic as Bruce's. However, as a would-be practitioner watching the debate, it looks like it has gone too far down in the weeds to have practical value to Joe Data Manager.  My suggestion is to divide and conquer by coming back to specific questions that can (and cannot yet) be answered.
>> 
>> For example:
>> (1) Can I prove that File A and B are the same file?  A: a cryptographic hash can do this (most of the time)
>> (2) Can I prove that File A and B contain the same data?  A: yes, if they are the same file. But see next question...
>> (3) Can I prove that File A and B do NOT contain the same data?  A: much more difficult, due to reformatting, reordering, etc.
>> (4) Are Dataset A and B the same?  A:  yes, if they have the same dataset identifier (e.g., a DOI)
>> (5) Did researcher A and B use the same data from datasets A and B?  A:  much more difficult to determine
>> 
>> What I have seen of the debate revolves mostly around questions 3 and 5.  Even though questions 1, 2, and 4 may seem too simple, degenerate or incomplete to be interesting from an academic standpoint, they do have some practical value in today's world of data management.  Perhaps you can couch any recommendations in terms of the questions can be answered easily, v. those that are difficult to answer?
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