[Esip-preserve] Citations guideline revisions

Mon Aug 1 10:57:07 EDT 2011

I like this - couple of notes.

First.....go through the executive summary and make sure that the labels
of the core elements match the table of contents hot-linked above.
Several of the elements have different wording.

Second....This sentence in the executive summary  "The Digital Object
Identifier is currently the most broadly adopted
service for persistently identifying and locating whole data collections
 (as opposed to individual files or granules), although other
identifier/locator services, such as ARKs and Handles, could be used."
does not make sense.  The two phrases on either side of the comma are not
parallel; the first part says broad adoption seems to be the driver for
selection, while the second part seems to suggest that persistence without
broad adoption might be ok, too.  So which is it?

I would have thought that the main criterion would have been persistence,
regardless of broadness of adoption.  This sentence "This approach when
coupled with good version tracking, comprehensive
documentation, and due diligence on the part of data stewards can
provide a useful and precise citation for the great majority of Earth
science data most of the time." implies that persistence and all that goes
along with it (all the care and feeding of the data set) is the more
important criterion than broad use.

That being said, however, I would take out that entire sentence, and
define it in the appropriate section.  We do not offer examples of the
other required core elements......  The explanation in 3.1.6 makes the
whole topic more clear, and so I'd just leave out the qualifier altogether.

Third....At some point, as with any guideline, it will need to be reviewed
periodically.  Is it worth putting in words to the effect that once this
is agreed, the next steps are.... [pilot/prototype/test the citation
guidelines, apply lessons learned, revise....]?

GREAT WORK, you guys!

Cheers

K

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On 7/25/11 1:02 PM, "Moses, John F. (GSFC-5860)" <john.f.moses at nasa.gov>
wrote:

>Hi Mark,
>Thanks for the 'still stands' assertion.  Still proceeding with a
>description of the work for NASA to sponsor a DOI process...
>
>John F Moses
>EOSDIS Science Operations, ESDIS Project Code 423
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>[mailto:esip-preserve-bounces at lists.esipfed.org] On Behalf Of Mark A.
>Parsons
>Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 12:27 PM
>To: Ruth Duerr
>Cc: esip-preserve at lists.esipfed.org
>Subject: Re: [Esip-preserve] Citations guideline revisions
>
>I sorta agree with Ruth. At one level any reasonably persistent locator
>would work, but the statement "The most broadly accepted locator in the
>scientific publishing world is the Digital Object Identifier (DOI)" still
>stands. For data citations to be accepted by journals authors and data
>centers will have better luck with the DOI. The ARK might be a second
>choice.
>
>Cheers,
>
>-m. 
>On 25 Jul 2011, at 10:14 AM, Ruth Duerr wrote:
>
>> I am not convinced that DOIs, ARKs, and Handles can be recommended
>>equally - I also don't understand why if we are adding identifiers to a
>>list, PURLs, etc. have been left off, since if you are broadening the
>>field to include other identifiers any of the URL-based locators could
>>work.
>> 
>> Aside from that, I do think an argument can be made for DOIs and ARKs
>>to be recommended more strongly than Handles.  The issue is that
>>Thomson-Reuters is working with the DataCite folks to include both DOIs
>>and ARKs in their citation indexes, Web of Knowledge, and Web of
>>Science.  I haven't heard that any group is doing the same for Handles -
>>does anyone have knowledge about other efforts to include identifiers in
>>citation indexes?  I think having use of your data show up in citation
>>indexes is important and I would hesitate to recommend any identifier
>>that didn't get included.
>> 
>> Ruth
>> 
>> On Jul 25, 2011, at 7:34 AM, Curt Tilmes wrote:
>> 
>>> Bob (and Mark) recently made a number of very good revisions to
>>> the Citations provider guidelines:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>http://wiki.esipfed.org/index.php/Interagency_Data_Stewardship/Citations
>>>/provider_guidelines
>>> 
>>> In particular, Bob added reference to ARKs and Handles in addition to
>>> DOIs.  I think those additions are warranted and helpful in most
>>> places, based on our discussions of ARKs and Handles.
>>> 
>>> One place I think we perhaps need some additional discussion is in the
>>> "cluster recommendation" part:
>>> 
>>> Old:
>>> 
>>> The most broadly accepted locator in the scientific publishing world
>>> is the Digital Object Identifier (DOI). The Cluster recommends the use
>>> of DOIs to persistently locate full data sets or collections. Other
>>> locators and identifiers may be more appropriate at the record level.
>>> 
>>> New:
>>> 
>>> The most broadly accepted locators in the scientific publishing world
>>> are the Digital Object Identifier (DOI), the Archival Resource Key
>>> (ARK), and Handles. The Cluster recommends the use of DOIs, ARKs, or
>>> Handles to persistently locate full data sets or collections. Other
>>> locators and identifiers may be more appropriate for locating
>>> individual records or files.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Are we, as a cluster, now recommending DOIs, ARKs, or Handles equally?
>>> 
>>> Curt
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