[Esip-preserve] [esip-semanticweb] Identifiers for people?

[Bruce Caron]

I've been following the ORCID project for a while. The California Digital
Library is involved. I would think this could be a solution in the near
future.

Bruce



On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Lynnes, Christopher S. (GSFC-6102) <
christopher.s.lynnes at nasa.gov> wrote:

>
> On Mar 7, 2012, at 1:44 PM, Matt Jones wrote:
>
> > ESIP may find what we decided on for DataONE useful.  DataONE is using
> InCommon (http://incommon.org) via the CILogon (http://www.cilogon.org)
>  service to provide federated identities for users across many
> institutions.  We are also following the ORCID initiative closely, as that
> might prove to be a useful approach as well.  We have created an identity
> management service that also allows mapping of equivalent identities across
> InCommon identity providers, so if the same person has accounts under
> multiple IdPs, they can map those as all equivalent.  ORCID may help with
> this feature in the future.
> >
> > Matt
>
> Well, I can't argue with the various goals and technical work going on in
> these orgs, but I wonder if these are all inclusive enough for our purposes
> in ESIP.  incommon.org is for government-registered/funded research
> organizations and sponsored partners; orcid is for "researchers".  What
> about museum curators? K-12 educators, community college teachers, even
> teaching colleges that don't do research? Not-for-profit applications users
> (e.g., environmental orgs)? Citizen scientists? Independent organizations,
> like the Society of General Agitators?
>
> > On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 9:37 AM, Lynnes, Christopher S. (GSFC-6102) <
> christopher.s.lynnes at nasa.gov> wrote:
> > This topic came up at the last ESIP Semantic Web telecon, where URIs are
> needed to identify people for some of our linked data efforts.  I thought
> either Erin, Tom Narock, or Eric Rozell had done some thinking on how to do
> this, at least for ESIP members...
> >
> > On Mar 7, 2012, at 12:51 PM, Robert R. Downs wrote:
> >
> > > Curt  -
> > >
> > > You might already be aware of the activities of ORCID
> > > http://about.orcid.org/ and its collaborators to address these issues.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Bob Downs
> > >
> > > On 3/7/2012 11:59 AM, Curt Tilmes wrote:
> > >>
> > >> A bunch of other groups have assigned various sets of identifiers for
> > >> most of the other things I'm looking at (Thank you GCMD keywords:
> > >> http://gcmd.nasa.gov/Resources/valids/archives/keyword_list.html)
> > >>
> > >> Most of the databases I see seem to ignore the need to unambiguously
> > >> identify people.
> > >>
> > >> Most databases simply fall back on a plain text literal and identify
> > >> an author as "John Doe" (or even "J. Doe").
> > >>
> > >> I want to indicate that "John Doe" the P.I. for an instrument is the
> > >> same "John Doe" who authored some paper.  I need a clear, unambiguous
> > >> identifier for that person.
> > >>
> > >> I could simply assign an integer as I insert into my database (I know,
> > >> I know -- I am not a number, I am a free man!).  Another thought is
> > >> UUID, even though they are big and ugly and make even bigger and
> > >> uglier URIs.
> > >>
> > >> foaf:mbox_sha1sum [1] has a certain appeal since independent databases
> > >> have a prayer of independently assigning the same identifier to the
> > >> same person, but even that relies on jdoe at nasa.gov keeping the same
> > >> mbox_sha1sum associated with himself when he becomes johnd at noaa.gov.
> > >>
> > >> Keeping the name itself in the URI is nice since you can look at it
> > >> and know who it is talking about (try that with an embedded UUID), but
> > >> what do you do when the 2nd (and 3rd) John Doe shows up?  Or if he
> > >> becomes Jane Doe?
> > >>
> > >> Other thoughts?
> > >>
> > >> Curt
> > >>
> > >> [1] http://xmlns.com/foaf/spec/#term_mbox_sha1sum
> > >>
> > >
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