[pac2] Re: INC NEWS - Herald Sun editorial

Wed Aug 31 10:43:25 EDT 2005

A historical note on trash cans at the curb in OND--
When I first moved here in 1985 there weren't any trash cans left at the
curb, because the city picked up the trash and recycling in each ally
behind the houses.  I don't remember when they stopped this service, but I
would bet anything it was motivated by the desire to economize.  So, the
trash cans at the curb problem can be seen as a new development resulting
from reduced city services.
So, if the trash cans are that big a problem perhaps we should forget
trying to educate people to get them away from the curb and instead lobby
the city to reinstate ally trash pick up.  In general it is more effective
to change policy than to try to change individual behavior.
Mary Anne
maryanne.mcdonald at mindspring.com

> [Original Message]
> From: <kjj1 at duke.edu>
> To: Richard Mullinax <rcmj at nc.rr.com>; inc <INC-list at rtpnet.org>; old
north <oldnorthdurham at yahoogroups.com>; Ginny Skalski
<gskalski at heraldsun.com>; Reyn Bowman <Reyn at Durham-cvb.com>; City group
council <council at ci.durham.nc.us>; pac ii <pac2 at yahoogroups.com>
> Date: 8/31/2005 9:35:19 AM
> Subject: [pac2] Re: INC NEWS -  Herald Sun editorial
>
> Richard: I was disappointed in the Herald-Sun editorial too. I don't know 
> all the reasons why folks leave their carts at the curb, but one, I
think, 
> is that many people simply don't know they're required to bring them in. 
> This is why our Recommended Property Manager Criteria in Old West Durham 
> include a willingness to include pulling trash carts in from the curbs in 
> rental agreements--because people can't be expected to comply with 
> ordinances they don't know about. Maybe the Herald-Sun could do a story
on 
> the existence of the ordinance requiring carts to be retrieved from the 
> curbs?
>
> Kelly J.
>
>
> --On Tuesday, August 30, 2005 6:41 PM -0400 Richard Mullinax 
> <rcmj at nc.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > Old North Durham took it on the chin today in the Herald Sun editorial
as
> > having residents who 'complained' about cans left at curb for days. If
> > this issue has a negative impact on your neighborhood., please contact
> > the paper to let them know. Old North Durham cannot be alone in this,
> > because this issue far from started in Old North Durham.
> >
> > I have been trying at PAC II meetings for several months, and at every
> > small meeting I am in, to end the use of the word complaint. When I see
a
> > cart at curb and call the city to make a report of what I saw, I am not
> > filing a complaint. What I saw I reported on and that makes me a
> > reporter, and a much closer partner to the solution than a complainer
> > could ever be. Please work to end the use of 'complaint' in your
> > neighborhood.
> >
> > I also sent word to Ginny about carts that never leave the curb. The
> > Editorial suggested that they are left for days. In reality many of the
> > carts I counted have been curbside for years. My count was done on
> > Wednesday and the City did one on Monday. Our collection day is Friday.
> > Both counts were over 200 for about 1200 units. It was enough for me to
> > be a proactive partner with Solid Waste.
> >
> > The City is working on the data and is trying to come up with a list of
> > why people do this. The goal it to set up the best method of prevention.
> > I am so thankful for the Solid Waste Department partnership on this
> > issue. In particular the agreement we share that education seems to be
> > the tool with the most effect.
> >
> > A large portion of the Editorial was dedicated to people being
overtaxed.
> > Fees are just another way of saying taxes, while fines imply that the
> > person earned the right to pay them separate of any tax burden. Working
> > to clarify these would have been a great help. The City staff hope is
> > that a system with clear fines available will result in not one single
> > charge. The fines being a last resort after repeated contacts have
proved
> > futile. Thanks also to Ginny for clearly stating once on Monday that
> > fines may need to be considered for 'chronic offenders'.
> >
> > After several years of working with different partners on this issue, I
> > was discouraged by the Editorial tone. I look forward to future reports,
> > from Ginny, about changes in the current methods we as neighborhoods and
> > City deal with carts being left as hazard and eyesore at curbside.
> >
> > I am also thankful to Bob Ashley for being available to talk about this
> > with me. He and I both look forward to people giving feedback on this
> > issue. Please let the paper know how you feel. For me there are several
> > other issues more important, but this one should not be overlooked or
> > trivialized.
> >
> > Richard Mullinax
> > 921 N Mangum St
> > 680-3883
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