INC NEWS - [pac2] RE: agenda and proposed resolutions for April 25 meeting

Fri Apr 21 11:37:25 EDT 2006

This is a non-issue in East Durham. Last year we had 147 people shot by people who had no legal right to have gun or bullets. INC is upset about panhandlers while a 13 year ago boy is fighting for his life from a gun wound to his back. Somehow I feel their is a disconnect between those who have and those who have not. We still have a problem with broken windows while others are have a problem with people asking for help. Newman with I was their I would vote against it has well. 

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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Newman Aguiar 
  To: inc-list at durhaminc.org 
  Cc: pac2 at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 11:19 PM
  Subject: Re: INC NEWS - [pac2] RE: agenda and proposed resolutions for April 25 meeting

  Indeed, Bill.  As you and Ken are well aware, if I didn't have an ongoing conflict with the meeting date, you know I would be there with bells on.

  Regardless of how the proposed change is worded, based on the efforts of other cities and well documented evidence of these efforts, we have two options (permit me to oversimplify):

    1.. Stop giving money to panhandlers (or any roadside vendor) - give to your favorite charity - panhandling reduces or stops - community wins (NO COST OPTION) (Note:  removing street vending has been shown to have negative effects on local economy; conversely, managed street vending has been shown to have positive economic effects on the local community) 
    2.. Enact the proposed ordinance change 
      1.. ordinance is never enforced - panhandling continues (most likely scenario based on the data) 
      2.. ordinance is enforced (consistently or selectively) - taxpayers pay significant cost for enforcement - we feel like we have done something useful - panhandling continues (perhaps, gets displaced) (COSTLY) (Add to costs, the negative economic impact caused by removal of street vendors) 

  The evidence is out there.  Nothing in the proposed change offers any new idea that hasn't already been tested and failed.  Perhaps there is the public will to go forward with the proposed change.  You and Ken have stated how you will vote.  I cannot be at the meeting, so I won't be voting.  I really don't know where our community stands on this.  I truly hope we don't go down a path that will be costly and do nothing to change the situation and perhaps, make it worse (since, if enforced, very likely some street vendors will be converted to panhandlers).

  Newman 

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  Newman

   I'll second that. Was at both meetings, and speak for all when I say your presence is dearly missed. Not being at either meeting doesn't lessen the weight of your words Newman, we all know and respect you, and understand you've looked into the efforts of other cities, etc. 

   However, the current phrasing is much more "let's find a better solution than having our needy stand on the curb and beg", than it is an "anti panhandling" effort. I understand other cities have semi-failed, but it is even more insane to continue delivering undocumented amounts of cash in an unsafe location... namely our intersections.

   I will be supporting the motion, but always hope the neighborhoods come get the story first hand. 

  Tues, April 25 at 7pm in the Herald Sun building on Pickett Road

  Bill Anderson

  In a message dated 4/20/2006 9:42:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ken.gasch at hldproductions.com writes:

    Newman,

    I was present when Lewis Cheek came to speak about this proposal at both 
    PAC2 and at INC.  I have given the matter a great deal of thought.  I have 
    visited at length with "solicitors" in my neighborhood.  I have come to the 
    conclusion that this change in our solicitation ordinance will positively 
    impact the current situation.  I hope that neighborhood reps show up and 
    vote in favor of this change.

    Respectfully,

    Ken Gasch

    ORDINANCE REGULATIN SOLICITATION ON THE

    STREETS AND HIGHWAYS OF DURHAM COUNTY

    WHEREAS, pursuant to N.C.G.S.  153a-121-153A-125, and 153A-176, the Board of 
    Commissioner may regulate begging, solicitation campaigns, and salesmen; and

    WHEREAS, begging and the solicitation of money for charities or businesses 
    in the streets and highways of Durham poses a significant hazard both to 
    pedestrian and motorists, and

    WHEREAS, begging and the solicitation of money in the streets and highways 
    of Durham poses a significant opportunity for fraud and misrepresentation,

    NOW, THEREFORE, THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS FOR THE COUNTY OF DURHAM DOTH 
    ORDAIN:

      1.. That the Durham County Code of Ordinances is hereby amended by adding 
    a new article to be numbered Article IV of Chapter 22, which article reads 
    as follows;

    ARTICLE IV.  SOLICITATION ON THE STREETS AND HIGHWAYS

    Sec 22-61  Solicitations defined

                For the purposes of this article, "solicit" shall mean the 
    asking for money or objects of value, with the intention that the money or 
    object be transferred at that time, and at that place.   Solicitation shall 
    include using the spoke, written or printed word bodily gestures, signs, or 
    other means with the purpose of obtaining an immediate donation of money or 
    other thing of value or soliciting the sale of goods or services.

    Sec 22-61 Solicitation prohibited
                It shall be unlawful for any person to solicit an operator of 
    other occupant of a motor vehicle while such vehicle is located on any 
    street or highway.  Provided, however, that this section shall not apply to 
    services rendered in connection with emergency repairs request by the 
    operator or passenger of such vehicle.

    Sec. 22-62 Jurisdiction
                This article shall be effective for all of Durham County not 
    within a city, and effective in such city or cities, which have by 
    resolution permitted this article to be effective within each city or cities

      2.. This Ordinance shall be effective on ratification

    This the _____day of______, 2006

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: "Newman Aguiar" <newman at nc.rr.com>
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    Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 8:11 PM
    Subject: [pac2] RE: INC NEWS - agenda and proposed resolutions for April 25 
    meeting

    >* Vendors in Roadside Right of Way -- FINAL VOTE
    >
    > "We, the membership of the Inter-neighborhood Council, support a change to
    > Durham's current solicitation ordinance that would bar solicitation from
    > rights-of-way in Durham."
    >
    > I hope sufficient neighborhood reps show up for the April 25 meeting to 
    > vote
    > this down.  There has been significant discussion on this issue and it
    > troubles me that INC would take up a resolution in support of a change, 
    > even
    > though strong evidence has been shown, that such a change would do little 
    > or
    > nothing to address the current situation.
    >
    > Newman
    >
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