[Durham INC] Tom Bonfield~ [pac2] Property Managers - howtofind out about them?

Wed Sep 16 11:53:22 EDT 2009

I agree that Mike's logic makes sense.  I wanted to plug my two cents in
that Animal Control would be very supportive of a landlord registry
initiative.  We have major problems because tenants will not response to
our request to contact our office about animal problems.  Having access
to a landlord can at least give us a name to put on the summons.
Anything we can do to help make this happen, I am more than happy to
assist.

Cindy Bailey

Durham County Animal Control

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Subject: Re: [Durham INC] Tom Bonfield~ [pac2] Property Managers -
howtofind out about them?

All,

For me,  I believe that the Campaign for Decent Housing would be the
logical 'lead' organization to orchestrate this.

While I am a big fan of both INC and the PAC's,  it makes more sense to
me to use Lorisa Seibel and the Campaign as the champion agency that
already has a deeper knowledge, historical background and institutional
memory regarding landlord responsibility.   

Besides having an in-depth understanding of tenant duties and leasing
agreements between a landlord and a renter,  the CDH also understands
the affect that contract has on those parties AND the impact it has on
surrounding neighbors and the city at large when things don't go as
smoothly as everyone expects.

It'd make perfect sense to have the Campaign to coordinate the coalition
(including INC, the PAC's, Durham CAN, Realtors, etc) rather than have
each one trying to replicate a new wheel.

Mike Shiflett

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	From: Matthew Dudek <mailto:matt.dudek at gmail.com>  

	To: Darius.M.Little at alumni.unc.edu 

	Cc: Tom.Bonfield at durhamnc.gov ; pac2 at yahoogroups.com ;
inc-list at durhaminc.org ; TheOcean1 at aol.com 

	Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 11:04 AM

	Subject: Re: [Durham INC] Tom Bonfield~ [pac2] Property Managers
- how tofind out about them?

	I  know we've talked about wanting this in the
Cleveland-Holloway neighborhood before. I also know this was a
recommendation that came out of some neighborhood planning exercises in
North East Central Durham.  

	I'd love to see INC and the PACs champion this issue and make it
a campaign issue. Let's finally get this on the agenda and make this
happen. Transparency and accountability are never bad things. 

	Matt Dudek

	502 Mallard Ave.

	919 381 7577

	On Sep 16, 2009, at 9:48 AM, Darius.M.Little at alumni.unc.edu
wrote:

	FYI: not a candidate plug here, but wanted to add for you that
this idea is great and in some areas has successfully been implemented.
I know over near Southpoint Mall, in my neck of the woods, we've had
situations where we wanted to talk to property owners about various
issues with tenants (after not 'getting through' to the lessee directly
- and wanting to avoid confrontation, but ended-up in the
PO-Box-Galaxy-of-Neverfind).  In our area, it is now understood that all
property management companies report to the Homeowner's Association of
that subdivision, which properties they own in that neighborhood. 

	I'd be happy to assist Mr. Bonfield, or anyone, in executing
this endeavor, as I've been through it before.

	- Darius

	"And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing,
ye shall receive." [Matt 21:22]

	-----Original Message-----
	From: TheOcean1 at aol.com
	To: Tom.Bonfield at durhamnc.gov; pac2 at yahoogroups.com
	Cc: inc-list at durhaminc.org
	Sent: Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:55 pm
	Subject: [Durham INC] Tom Bonfield~ [pac2] Property Managers -
how to find out about them?

	Hold on, 3 years is a long time in Durham. Maybe our new city
manager likes the idea, perhaps Pensacola even had a similar program. Or
maybe he won't like the idea, but let's give him a chance to tell us.

	Mr. Bonfield,

	What are your thoughts regarding property managers simply
registering with the city a list of the properties they manage?

	As pointed out below, community activists have been interested
in this for years, because of an occasional need to contact the
responsible party. But I would think city staff has a much more regular
need for the same information, surprised the request hasn't been coming
from them, instead of the community.

	Bill Anderson

	PAC2

	In a message dated 9/15/2009 1:26:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
kjj1 at duke.edu writes:

		Elizabeth--
		Good luck pushing this issue. It is nearly impossible to
find out who manages properties. It strikes me as odd in this age of
databases & ease of making information widely available, that something
as simple as requiring property managers to submit an excel spreadsheet
listing all the properties they manage to a central clearinghouse where
it could be made available to the public is a big deal. But it seems to
be. Property managers resist it and the city seems to go along with
them.

		It was last pushed hard 3-4 years ago. There is always a
great deal of interest from neighborhood associations and citizens and a
fair amount of resistance from property managers and city officials.

		Kelly Jarrett

		Steve Graff wrote: 

		Hi Elizabeth,

		This is one of the biggest struggles, finding out who to
contact about problems with a property in the neighborhood. As you have
discovered, the Durham GIS system only lists the name and address for
the property owner (no phone number), but no information for the
property management company. Often times, the owner is in another state
entirely, and the address listed is a P.O. box. 

		Sometimes with the name and address you can use a search
engine such as Google to try to find additional information for the
owners. Other times, this information is not available.

		As an example, there is a four-plex apartment building
just down the street from us. About a year ago it was purchased and
renovated by the new owners, including replacing all of the windows. I
was glad to see this happen as this apartment building was the scene of
a shooting a few years ago.

		Everythi ng seemed to be going well up until recently.
Then tenants started to play loud music at all time of day and night.
Then they started throwing their trash into the ravine next to the
building. Then we started to hear loud arguments. Then we started to
hear glass bottles being broken on the ground. Then I started to see
drug deals occurring there. Then one of the residents started speeding
up and and down the street at 60+ mph endangering the residents who walk
up and down this street (where there are no sidewalks).

		There was a big thread on various PAC mailing lists
about the need for a property registry sometime earlier this year. The
need is clear. There needs to be some way to contact property managers
to notify them to concerns about their property, so that they can take
appropriate action before bad renters trash their property and continue
to continue to trash the neighborhood.

		Steve Graff

		President

		Old North Durham Neighborhood Association

		http://www.oldnorthdurham.com/

		slgraff at gmail.com

		On Sep 15, 2009, at 10:37 AM, elizabeth_gill99 wrote:

		Dear All,

		Walltown is reactivating Neighborhood Watch, we are
starting with a few blocks with the hope of growing. Question: we know
how to find out who owns properties on the City web site, but is there a
easy way to find out who manages them? I don't mind contacting
delinquent owners but would love to contact the property managers too.

		Thanks!

		Elizabeth K. Gill

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