[Durham INC] Original intent and focus of the City Wide PAC

Thu Jul 1 12:14:19 EDT 2010

As a past president of INC (1999-2000) I have to say that Hickman's comment
is just plain wrong. If that's what he really thinks, he has a big surprise
coming.

John Dagenhart, P.E.
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-----Original Message-----
From: inc-list-bounces at rtpnet.org [mailto:inc-list-bounces at rtpnet.org] On
Behalf Of Kelly Jarrett
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 5:07 PM
To: bragin at nc.rr.com; list at durham-inc.org
Subject: Re: [Durham INC] Original intent and focus of the City Wide PAC

I think that you've summed it up pretty well.
Kelly 

bragin at nc.rr.com wrote:

>Everyone's talking about the City-Wide PAC stuff, but here's another
question.
>
>How does the INC, including its past and current officers, feel about
Fairway General Manager Hickman's assertion that "the council is not
representative of the county as a whole"?
>
>As i recall it, Fairway came to the INC first a year and a half or so ago,
and the group voted pretty overwhelmingly to support Durham's existing
billboard ordinance.
>
>Seems to me that what Fairway has done here is attempt to find another
organization that they could somehow promote as being "more representative"
of Durham than the INC.
>
>Am i misreading this, or does anybody else think this is what is going on?
>
>Barry Ragin
>---- "M. W. Shiflett - Hotmail" <mwshiflett at hotmail.com> wrote: 
>
>=============
>QUESTION:  I agree strongly that this vote by the City-wide PAC does not 
>reflect in any way the strong sentiment in Durham against changing the ban 
>against digital billboards. I also want to echo Rob Gillespie's thanks to 
>Patty from PAC3 for voting against the policy change that allowed this 
>completely unrepresentative organization for taking this stand. As Chuck 
>Clifton asks in his post here, what is the function of the City-wide PAC 
>anyway? Why does this group think it has some sort of authority to take
such 
>stands, and why should anyone listen to them? Chuck's question about its 
>charter is right on target.  Andy Balber"
>
>
>RESPONSE:  As a PAC facilitator for three years at the end of the nineties
I 
>was very fortunate to be part of the first 'gatherings' of each of the 
>Partners Against Crime facilitators (now referred to as The City Wide PAC) 
>from the districts of I,II,III and IV.   There was no PAC 5 or Durham 
>Businesses Against Crime (DBAC) at that time.
>
>It was a loose knit meeting in the beginning usually coordinated by the DPD

>and we eventually got better at talking with one another on what was 
>important and/or an 'issue' in each of our respective districts.  Some of 
>the meetings took place down in the community room at the DPD Headquarters 
>while others were held at the Department of Housing and Community.
>
>While I don't believe we had any formal by-laws, rules or procedural
dictums 
>that we had to abide by,  for the most part we just wanted to meet in a 
>cordial atmosphere where we could share crime fighting stories, problems
and 
>solutions together along with getting regularly scheduled updates from the 
>Durham Police Department on what they were doing to support Community 
>Policing.
>
>This enabled each facilitator to not only get to know the command staff at 
>the DPD,  but also to get first hand information on new initiatives and 
>results of what was/or wasn't successful since the previous 'gathering'.
>
>Towards the end of my term (Grace Blackwell-Jones/Pam Spaulding/Brooke 
>Whitefield/Richard Mullinex can verify this, I believe) in 1999 the city 
>wide PAC was just an opportunity for each PAC facilitator to get together 
>once every couple of months to update each other and share 'experiences'.
>
>I seem to also recall that Frank Hyman was asked (and performed as) the 
>facilitator for a number of these 'gatherings'.  Mr. Harold Chestnut was
the 
>PAC 4 facilitator back then too.
>
>How it 'morphed' into what now is beyond my experience,  but it was never 
>(again in my recollection) meant to be a voice of anything other than the 
>leaders of each pac getting together to listen to each others concerns and 
>then taking solutions that others had tried back to their own pacs to see
if 
>they would work.
>
>It was always the intention of those meetings to be respectful of how each 
>PAC wanted to conduct it's own affairs and not create a "one solution fits 
>all cases" dictatorship.
>
>I still feel that objective discussion of the facts in any issue ought to
be 
>discussed openly and without fear of retribution when it comes to community

>and neighborhood concerns.
>
>Honoring this open process with everyone having an opportunity to be heard 
>and to allow them to make up their own minds is one of the most important 
>concepts of a representative democracy.
>
>Mike Shiflett
>PAC 2 Co-facilitator 1997,1998, 1999
>
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "andrewbalber" <andrew.balber at verizon.net>
>To: <pac3 at yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 2:12 PM
>Subject: [pac3] City-wide PAC
>
>
>>I agree strongly that this vote by the City-wide PAC does not reflect in 
>>any way the strong sentiment in Durham against changing the ban against 
>>digital billboards. I also want to echo Rob Gillespie's thanks to Patty 
>>from PAC3 for voting aginst the policy change that allowed this completely

>>unrepresentative organization for taking this stand. As Chuck Clifton asks

>>in his post here, what is the function of the City-wide PAC anyway? Why 
>>does this group think it has some sort of authority to take such stands, 
>>and why should anyone listen to them? Chuck's question about its charter
is 
>>right on target.
>>
>> Andy Balber
>>
>>
>>
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