[Durham INC] Help --Trinity Park Wetland could save Durham $20M and more...

Angel Romero aromero at ibiblio.org
Thu May 10 19:03:07 EDT 2012


Let's not forget the already existing Beaver Pond which is currently in 
private hands.

http://www.ellerbecreek.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=504

Angel Romero

On 5/10/2012 6:51 PM, Catotti, Diane wrote:
> Staff is planning briefings and neighborhood engagement all summer.
>
> Diane N Catotti
>
>
> On May 10, 2012, at 6:40 PM, "Philip Azar" <pazar at nc.rr.com 
> <mailto:pazar at nc.rr.com>> wrote:
>
>> I am neither opposing, nor, at this point, supporting the proposal. I 
>> am concerned, however, on at least two points:  1. There is room for 
>> the adjacent neighborhoods to weigh the greater good, if any, in 
>> their deliberations and 2. Trinity Park has requested, repeatedly, 
>> Staff updates on the proposal only to be put off because council or 
>> other staff needed to be briefed first. Now, it's being presented in 
>> the paper and on , if not the paper, as a done deal which I humbly 
>> submit ain't right.
>>
>> Regardless of the eventual outcome, there's time for neighborhood 
>> input that's real and not based on an assumed outcome.
>>
>> Not opposed. Not supporting. Wanting some neighborhood briefings and 
>> neighborhood input, and INC support for that process.
>>
>> Philip Azar
>> TPNA delegate
>>
>>
>> On May 10, 2012, at 5:17 PM, Melissa Rooney <mmr121570 at yahoo.com 
>> <mailto:mmr121570 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> Totally understand where everyone is coming from on the other 
>>> issues. However, I know first hand of properties (my own and others) 
>>> being literally washed away due to the velocity with which storm 
>>> water is directed through them...particularly those containing what 
>>> should be a small intermittent stream. I have spoken on site with 
>>> storm water services and soil and water conservation people as well 
>>> as an environmental landscaper, and all said the best solution is to 
>>> convince upstream residents to donate land for a retention pond to 
>>> slow down (as well as filter) the water.
>>>
>>> So when I read this article, I was thrilled that the city was 
>>> looking into this.
>>>
>>> This does not just affect these particular neighborhoods. It stands 
>>> to benefit properties far downstream as well.
>>>
>>> Other BMPs may only treat the chemical content of the water, not the 
>>> damage caused to properties by the accumulated stormwater (and 
>>> erosion) that is the source of the problem.
>>>
>>> I do not see how a wetland or retention pond that is home to 
>>> beavers, turtles, frogs and water foul can do anything but improve 
>>> the aesthetics and the values of the homes in the nbhds directly 
>>> impacted.
>>>
>>> Would certainly love to hear from all sides at upcoming INC meetings 
>>> (including Stormwater Services and SWCD) and for INC to discuss and 
>>> contemplate weighing in on this.
>>>
>>> Melissa (Rooney)
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> *From: * Pat Carstensen <pats1717 at hotmail.com 
>>> <mailto:pats1717 at hotmail.com>>;
>>> *To: * bill anderson <theocean1 at aol.com <mailto:theocean1 at aol.com>>; 
>>> john martin <bulldurhamnc at yahoo.com 
>>> <mailto:bulldurhamnc at yahoo.com>>; Melissa Rooney 
>>> <mmr121570 at yahoo.com <mailto:mmr121570 at yahoo.com>>; inc listserv 
>>> <inc-list at durhaminc.org <mailto:inc-list at durhaminc.org>>;
>>> *Subject: * RE: [Durham INC] Help --Trinity Park Wetland could save 
>>> Durham $20 M and more...
>>> *Sent: * Thu, May 10, 2012 10:13:53 AM
>>>
>>> I thought we discussed this at a delegate meeting and thought the 
>>> question for us was less "yes or no" but "how do we do it in a way 
>>> that is most compatible with neighborhood needs?"
>>>
>>> Regards, pat
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> From: TheOcean1 at aol.com <mailto:TheOcean1 at aol.com>
>>> Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 22:57:18 -0400
>>> To: bulldurhamnc at yahoo.com <mailto:bulldurhamnc at yahoo.com>; 
>>> mmr121570 at yahoo.com <mailto:mmr121570 at yahoo.com>; 
>>> inc-list at durhaminc.org <mailto:inc-list at durhaminc.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Durham INC] Help --Trinity Park Wetland could save 
>>> Durham $20 M and more...
>>>
>>> *Yup, I'm with John, those neighborhoods (and any that might be 
>>> forming in that area) should have first and heavier weighted votes - 
>>> for want of a better term.*
>>> *That also allows other neighborhoods to scratch their heads awhile 
>>> and examine such things as cost benefits.  Personally, the total 
>>> estimated cost seemed shocking to me. They had this property under 
>>> contract to buy for well under $3 million a couple years ago, and 
>>> you'll need to add demolition and tipping the building into the 
>>> landfill fees. (I hope some things can be salvaged, like the gym floor)*
>>> *So it will cost how many million to create a natural area?
>>>
>>> **Bill Anderson*
>>> In a message dated 5/9/2012 10:09:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
>>> bulldurhamnc at yahoo.com <mailto:bulldurhamnc at yahoo.com> writes:
>>>
>>>     Melissa,
>>>
>>>     Before you and others rush to embrace this, I think it would be
>>>     wise to get input from the neighborhoods most directly affected:
>>>      Trinity Park, Old North Durham, and Central Park.
>>>
>>>     I have a lot of questions about this and the effects it will
>>>     have on those neighborhoods. The cost savings and environmental
>>>     concerns are not the only issues.
>>>
>>>     John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     --- On *Wed, 5/9/12, Melissa Rooney /<mmr121570 at yahoo.com
>>>     <mailto:mmr121570 at yahoo.com>>/* wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>         From: Melissa Rooney <mmr121570 at yahoo.com
>>>         <mailto:mmr121570 at yahoo.com>>
>>>         Subject: [Durham INC] Help --Trinity Park Wetland could save
>>>         Durham $20 M and more ---
>>>         To: "INC" <inc-list at rtpnet.org
>>>         <mailto:inc-list at rtpnet.org>>, "Durham Enviro"
>>>         <durhamenviro at yahoogroups.com
>>>         <mailto:durhamenviro at yahoogroups.com>>
>>>         Date: Wednesday, May 9, 2012, 9:15 PM
>>>
>>>         Please review the article below and consider writing Mayor
>>>         Bell and the City Council (council at durhamnc.gov
>>>         <mailto:council at durhamnc.gov>) with your support for
>>>         construction of a wetland at the old Diet and Fitness Center
>>>         on Trinity Avenue for the following reasons:
>>>
>>>         1) this wetland will help to reduce the velocity of water
>>>         runoff during storm events, thereby reducing erosion of
>>>         private properties that now suffer from storm water run-off
>>>         directed through those properties. We NEED more wetlands and
>>>         retention ponds in this watershed to protect existing
>>>         structures and private properties.
>>>
>>>         2) this wetland would be aesthetically pleasing and provide
>>>         wildlife with a much needed habitat in our urban area;
>>>
>>>         3) this wetland would immensely help naturally filter
>>>         Nitrogen and Phosphorous and other pollutants out of the
>>>         Ellerbe Creek Watershed, which flows into Falls Lake and
>>>         could save Durham as much as $20 Million in the long run
>>>         with regard to costs of BMPs (best management practices)
>>>         required to reduce N and P runoff into Falls Lake (as a
>>>         result of the Falls Lake Rules).
>>>
>>>         The Durham News | Wetland could save city up to $20M
>>>         <http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=wetland%20wise%20durham%20news&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CFcQFjAA&url=http://www.thedurhamnews.com/2012/05/08/212014/wetland-could-save-city-up-to.html&ei=dxSrT8PAOcautwfJ5eiiAg&usg=AFQjCNFLs0wgbZEUajqkt4SN6kIdrtL3fA>
>>>
>>>         http://www.thedurhamnews.com/2012/05/08/212014/wetland-could-save-city-up-to.html
>>>
>>>         Thanks for your consideration and input!
>>>         Melissa (Rooney)
>>>
>>>
>>>
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