[Durham INC] Help --Trinity Park Wetland could save Durham $20M and more...
Angel Romero
aromero at ibiblio.org
Thu May 10 19:03:07 EDT 2012
Let's not forget the already existing Beaver Pond which is currently in
private hands.
http://www.ellerbecreek.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=504
Angel Romero
On 5/10/2012 6:51 PM, Catotti, Diane wrote:
> Staff is planning briefings and neighborhood engagement all summer.
>
> Diane N Catotti
>
>
> On May 10, 2012, at 6:40 PM, "Philip Azar" <pazar at nc.rr.com
> <mailto:pazar at nc.rr.com>> wrote:
>
>> I am neither opposing, nor, at this point, supporting the proposal. I
>> am concerned, however, on at least two points: 1. There is room for
>> the adjacent neighborhoods to weigh the greater good, if any, in
>> their deliberations and 2. Trinity Park has requested, repeatedly,
>> Staff updates on the proposal only to be put off because council or
>> other staff needed to be briefed first. Now, it's being presented in
>> the paper and on , if not the paper, as a done deal which I humbly
>> submit ain't right.
>>
>> Regardless of the eventual outcome, there's time for neighborhood
>> input that's real and not based on an assumed outcome.
>>
>> Not opposed. Not supporting. Wanting some neighborhood briefings and
>> neighborhood input, and INC support for that process.
>>
>> Philip Azar
>> TPNA delegate
>>
>>
>> On May 10, 2012, at 5:17 PM, Melissa Rooney <mmr121570 at yahoo.com
>> <mailto:mmr121570 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> Totally understand where everyone is coming from on the other
>>> issues. However, I know first hand of properties (my own and others)
>>> being literally washed away due to the velocity with which storm
>>> water is directed through them...particularly those containing what
>>> should be a small intermittent stream. I have spoken on site with
>>> storm water services and soil and water conservation people as well
>>> as an environmental landscaper, and all said the best solution is to
>>> convince upstream residents to donate land for a retention pond to
>>> slow down (as well as filter) the water.
>>>
>>> So when I read this article, I was thrilled that the city was
>>> looking into this.
>>>
>>> This does not just affect these particular neighborhoods. It stands
>>> to benefit properties far downstream as well.
>>>
>>> Other BMPs may only treat the chemical content of the water, not the
>>> damage caused to properties by the accumulated stormwater (and
>>> erosion) that is the source of the problem.
>>>
>>> I do not see how a wetland or retention pond that is home to
>>> beavers, turtles, frogs and water foul can do anything but improve
>>> the aesthetics and the values of the homes in the nbhds directly
>>> impacted.
>>>
>>> Would certainly love to hear from all sides at upcoming INC meetings
>>> (including Stormwater Services and SWCD) and for INC to discuss and
>>> contemplate weighing in on this.
>>>
>>> Melissa (Rooney)
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> *From: * Pat Carstensen <pats1717 at hotmail.com
>>> <mailto:pats1717 at hotmail.com>>;
>>> *To: * bill anderson <theocean1 at aol.com <mailto:theocean1 at aol.com>>;
>>> john martin <bulldurhamnc at yahoo.com
>>> <mailto:bulldurhamnc at yahoo.com>>; Melissa Rooney
>>> <mmr121570 at yahoo.com <mailto:mmr121570 at yahoo.com>>; inc listserv
>>> <inc-list at durhaminc.org <mailto:inc-list at durhaminc.org>>;
>>> *Subject: * RE: [Durham INC] Help --Trinity Park Wetland could save
>>> Durham $20 M and more...
>>> *Sent: * Thu, May 10, 2012 10:13:53 AM
>>>
>>> I thought we discussed this at a delegate meeting and thought the
>>> question for us was less "yes or no" but "how do we do it in a way
>>> that is most compatible with neighborhood needs?"
>>>
>>> Regards, pat
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> From: TheOcean1 at aol.com <mailto:TheOcean1 at aol.com>
>>> Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 22:57:18 -0400
>>> To: bulldurhamnc at yahoo.com <mailto:bulldurhamnc at yahoo.com>;
>>> mmr121570 at yahoo.com <mailto:mmr121570 at yahoo.com>;
>>> inc-list at durhaminc.org <mailto:inc-list at durhaminc.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Durham INC] Help --Trinity Park Wetland could save
>>> Durham $20 M and more...
>>>
>>> *Yup, I'm with John, those neighborhoods (and any that might be
>>> forming in that area) should have first and heavier weighted votes -
>>> for want of a better term.*
>>> *That also allows other neighborhoods to scratch their heads awhile
>>> and examine such things as cost benefits. Personally, the total
>>> estimated cost seemed shocking to me. They had this property under
>>> contract to buy for well under $3 million a couple years ago, and
>>> you'll need to add demolition and tipping the building into the
>>> landfill fees. (I hope some things can be salvaged, like the gym floor)*
>>> *So it will cost how many million to create a natural area?
>>>
>>> **Bill Anderson*
>>> In a message dated 5/9/2012 10:09:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> bulldurhamnc at yahoo.com <mailto:bulldurhamnc at yahoo.com> writes:
>>>
>>> Melissa,
>>>
>>> Before you and others rush to embrace this, I think it would be
>>> wise to get input from the neighborhoods most directly affected:
>>> Trinity Park, Old North Durham, and Central Park.
>>>
>>> I have a lot of questions about this and the effects it will
>>> have on those neighborhoods. The cost savings and environmental
>>> concerns are not the only issues.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On *Wed, 5/9/12, Melissa Rooney /<mmr121570 at yahoo.com
>>> <mailto:mmr121570 at yahoo.com>>/* wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Melissa Rooney <mmr121570 at yahoo.com
>>> <mailto:mmr121570 at yahoo.com>>
>>> Subject: [Durham INC] Help --Trinity Park Wetland could save
>>> Durham $20 M and more ---
>>> To: "INC" <inc-list at rtpnet.org
>>> <mailto:inc-list at rtpnet.org>>, "Durham Enviro"
>>> <durhamenviro at yahoogroups.com
>>> <mailto:durhamenviro at yahoogroups.com>>
>>> Date: Wednesday, May 9, 2012, 9:15 PM
>>>
>>> Please review the article below and consider writing Mayor
>>> Bell and the City Council (council at durhamnc.gov
>>> <mailto:council at durhamnc.gov>) with your support for
>>> construction of a wetland at the old Diet and Fitness Center
>>> on Trinity Avenue for the following reasons:
>>>
>>> 1) this wetland will help to reduce the velocity of water
>>> runoff during storm events, thereby reducing erosion of
>>> private properties that now suffer from storm water run-off
>>> directed through those properties. We NEED more wetlands and
>>> retention ponds in this watershed to protect existing
>>> structures and private properties.
>>>
>>> 2) this wetland would be aesthetically pleasing and provide
>>> wildlife with a much needed habitat in our urban area;
>>>
>>> 3) this wetland would immensely help naturally filter
>>> Nitrogen and Phosphorous and other pollutants out of the
>>> Ellerbe Creek Watershed, which flows into Falls Lake and
>>> could save Durham as much as $20 Million in the long run
>>> with regard to costs of BMPs (best management practices)
>>> required to reduce N and P runoff into Falls Lake (as a
>>> result of the Falls Lake Rules).
>>>
>>> The Durham News | Wetland could save city up to $20M
>>> <http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=wetland%20wise%20durham%20news&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CFcQFjAA&url=http://www.thedurhamnews.com/2012/05/08/212014/wetland-could-save-city-up-to.html&ei=dxSrT8PAOcautwfJ5eiiAg&usg=AFQjCNFLs0wgbZEUajqkt4SN6kIdrtL3fA>
>>>
>>> http://www.thedurhamnews.com/2012/05/08/212014/wetland-could-save-city-up-to.html
>>>
>>> Thanks for your consideration and input!
>>> Melissa (Rooney)
>>>
>>>
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