[Durham INC] INC-list Digest, Vol 129, Issue 6
Marge Nordstrom
nordstrom.marge at gmail.com
Thu Sep 10 10:58:38 EDT 2015
When I moved into my house, almost 15 years ago, I received letters from
the Post Office stating that if I didn’t install a curbside mail box, my
mail service would be stopped. Believe me, I was not happy. Not only had
I been happy that my mail would be delivered to my front door, but most
importantly it helped with my concern regarding mail security. The rural
types of mail boxes (I grew up in a rural area) have absolutely no
security--ok, the mail box at my front door might not either, but it is one
heck of a lot more secure than one down on the street. (My house is up on
a hill and far from the street.) There was no way, if I could help it,
that I was going to put a mail box out there that could be looked through,
vandalized, etc. I am concerned about anyone’s mail security with these
types of mailboxes, no matter how close they may be to the person’s house
or how convenient they may be for mail carriers. Besides theft of incoming
mail, when the home owners put up the “red flag” that there’s outgoing
mail—talk about an opportunity-- account names, account numbers, etc.,
just there for the taking.
At that time, I had come to know my mail carrier (via my dog who totally
loved him for his treats), and he had no idea these letters were going out
to new home owners. The communications, as well as the mail stoppage, were
coming straight from the Postmaster over on Kangaroo. The Post Master even
admitted it. After I took him to task and with my postal carrier’s
support, he backed down. It sounds like over the years the efforts of Mike
Woodard and Bill Anderson addressing the issue seem to have made a
difference at the Postmaster level, but may not have trickled down to some
individual postal carriers.
The only way I would be comfortable with curb side mail boxes is if they
were secured, but that would likely add to the time for delivery to
individual houses and would not resolve concerns expressed by some others.
In some newer neighborhoods, they have “clustered” sets of secured mail
boxes. To my knowledge, that seems to work because those locations were
planned. However, I don’t see a way of that concept working in older
neighborhoods.
On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Brett Fox <brettfox27 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I would say that I'm not happy to see this still happening but I am just
> for the fact that it isn't ONLY happening in East Durham. We keep hearing
> every 6 months or so about this happening and only when new residents
> happen to mention it at a meeting or something. I moved in 2 years ago and
> had our mail stopped for a period of time. And apparently about 10-15 years
> ago they started doing this in East Durham and many of the residents
> converted over, since they were being threatened to have their mail
> stopped.
>
> It does seem petty to be worried over, but it is also ridiculous and as
> stated previously, creates a problem when you have a street that is all on
> different methods of delivery, especially a street that has legal on-street
> parking. And for some of our residents that are located near Maureen Joy
> School, who have parents park in front of their house all the time. How can
> you control who parks in front of your house and blocks your mailbox? And
> yet, your mail is withheld (and sometimes "lost). Mail carriers do not have
> the authority to force you to change or to withhold your mail and should
> have consequences for not doing their job within the appropriate
> boundaries.
>
> I want to thank Sen. Woodard for his responsiveness is getting this dealt
> with, but I do feel like it is more of a systemic issue than just a couple
> "rogue" mail carriers like has been suggested. I really wish there would be
> a way for the whole neighborhood to get a complete "reset" so we can go
> back to how it was before these "rogue" mail carriers started intimidating
> people and putting their little fliers in our mailboxes.
>
> Brett Fox
> 106 N Driver St
>
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 1:00 PM Myers Sugg <andrew.sugg at duke.edu> wrote:
>
>> I'm convinced that there must be some type of incentive program for
>> carriers. It keeps coming up year after year despite the effort of many
>> and acknowledgement by upper management within USPS. The targets are new
>> residents who have no idea what the rules are. They act quickly to erect a
>> rural box because they don't want their mail returned as the letter
>> threatens.
>>
>> And for all of the naysayers who think this is silly to not cooperate:
>> I'm more than willing to be a part of a comprehensive delivery change when
>> all participate simultaneously. Tell me what the logic is if my walking
>> letter carrier walks from my next door neighbor's front porch, and then to
>> the street for my newly erected box, only to return to the porch of my
>> neighbor on the other side? Also, if a curb mailbox is blocked by a car
>> because of legal on street parking, I won't get delivery that day. Again
>> when there is more comprehensive and thoughtful methods used to truly
>> improve delivery efficiencies, let's talk. Until then, USPS needs to
>> follow the rules they are bound to instead of continuing to hit
>> unsuspecting new residents with a threat of held or returned mail.
>>
>> Myers Sugg
>>
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>> 1. FW: FYI these are still being used (Tom Miller)
>> 2. Re: FW: FYI these are still being used (John Martin)
>> 3. Re: FW: FYI these are still being used (Philip Azar)
>> 4. Re: FW: FYI these are still being used (Mike Woodard)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2015 14:43:40 -0400
>> From: "Tom Miller" <tom-miller1 at nc.rr.com>
>> To: <inc-list at lists.deltaforce.net>
>> Subject: [Durham INC] FW: FYI these are still being used
>> Message-ID: <006001d0e99d$1dbce3c0$5936ab40$@nc.rr.com>
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>> Jeez. It never stops!
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>> From: Leslie Page [mailto:leslie at westdurhamrealty.com]
>> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2015 11:46 AM
>> To: Tom Miller; Steve Schewel; mike at mikewoodard.com;
>> don.moffitt at durhamnc.gov
>> Subject: FYI these are still being used
>> Importance: Low
>>
>>
>>
>> Got this on a property I manage in Duke Forest.
>>
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>>
>> Leslie S. Page
>>
>> REALTOR, Broker, Owner
>>
>> West Durham Realty LLC
>>
>> 2106 Sprunt Ave., Durham, NC 27705
>>
>> 919-286-9400 office
>>
>> 919-602-1963 cell
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>> 919-246-9375 fax
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>> Leslie at WestDurhamRealty.com
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>> www.WestDurhamRealty.com
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>> Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2015 19:09:46 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: John Martin <bulldurhamnc at yahoo.com>
>> To: Tom Miller <tom-miller1 at nc.rr.com>,
>> "inc-list at lists.deltaforce.net" <inc-list at lists.deltaforce.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Durham INC] FW: FYI these are still being used
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>> On Friday, Mike Woodard contacted the postal higher-ups in Greensboro
>> about similar incidents in East Durham. ?The person he spoke to promised to
>> get on it. ?I guess Mike can add this to the list.
>> For other people on the INC list, if you hear of this happening in your
>> neighborhood, inform people that it is a violation of postal regulations,
>> and they should not simply accept it.
>> John
>> From: Tom Miller <tom-miller1 at nc.rr.com>
>> To: inc-list at lists.deltaforce.net
>> Sent: Monday, September 7, 2015 2:43 PM
>> Subject: [Durham INC] FW: FYI these are still being used
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>> stops! ?T ?From: Leslie Page [mailto:leslie at westdurhamrealty.com]
>> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2015 11:46 AM
>> To: Tom Miller; Steve Schewel; mike at mikewoodard.com;
>> don.moffitt at durhamnc.gov
>> Subject: FYI these are still being used
>> Importance: Low ?Got this on a property I manage in Duke Forest. ?
>> ?Leslie S. PageREALTOR, Broker, OwnerWest Durham Realty LLC2106 Sprunt
>> Ave., Durham, NC 27705919-286-9400 office919-602-1963 cell919-246-9375
>> faxLeslie at WestDurhamRealty.comwww.WestDurhamRealty.com
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>> Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2015 17:57:20 -0400
>> From: Philip Azar <pazar at nc.rr.com>
>> To: Tom Miller <tom-miller1 at nc.rr.com>
>> Cc: "<inc-list at lists.deltaforce.net>" <inc-list at lists.deltaforce.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Durham INC] FW: FYI these are still being used
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>> Isn't this a federal agency matter? Why aren't we using federal chains of
>> command? We have supportive congressional representatives and an Attorney
>> General not pre-disposed to having North Carolinians mistreated.
>>
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>> > On Sep 7, 2015, at 2:43 PM, Tom Miller <tom-miller1 at nc.rr.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Jeez. It never stops!
>> >
>> > T
>> >
>> > From: Leslie Page [mailto:leslie at westdurhamrealty.com]
>> > Sent: Monday, September 07, 2015 11:46 AM
>> > To: Tom Miller; Steve Schewel; mike at mikewoodard.com;
>> don.moffitt at durhamnc.gov
>> > Subject: FYI these are still being used
>> > Importance: Low
>> >
>> > Got this on a property I manage in Duke Forest.
>> >
>> >
>> > Leslie S. Page
>> > REALTOR, Broker, Owner
>> > West Durham Realty LLC
>> > 2106 Sprunt Ave., Durham, NC 27705
>> > 919-286-9400 office
>> > 919-602-1963 cell
>> > 919-246-9375 fax
>> > Leslie at WestDurhamRealty.com
>> > www.WestDurhamRealty.com
>> > <PO Notice.pdf>
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>> Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2015 09:01:14 -0400
>> From: Mike Woodard <mike at mikewoodard.com>
>> To: Philip Azar <pazar at nc.rr.com>, Tom Miller <tom-miller1 at nc.rr.com>
>> Cc: "<inc-list at lists.deltaforce.net>" <inc-list at lists.deltaforce.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Durham INC] FW: FYI these are still being used
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>> Congressman Price's office has been involved. The problem is rogue
>> individual carriers not following rules. We have to stay on top of this.
>>
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>> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~?
>> Mike Woodard
>> Phone: 919.599.5143mikewoodard. com
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>> Please consider the environment before printing this email.
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>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Philip Azar <pazar at nc.rr.com>
>> Date: 09/07/2015 5:57 PM (GMT-05:00)
>> To: Tom Miller <tom-miller1 at nc.rr.com>
>> Cc: "<inc-list at lists.deltaforce.net>" <inc-list at lists.deltaforce.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Durham INC] FW: FYI these are still being used
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>> Isn't this a federal agency matter? Why aren't we using federal chains of
>> command? ?We have supportive congressional representatives and an Attorney
>> General not pre-disposed to having North Carolinians mistreated.
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>> -->Jeez.? It never stops!?T?From: Leslie Page [mailto:
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>> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2015 11:46 AM
>> To: Tom Miller; Steve Schewel; mike at mikewoodard.com;
>> don.moffitt at durhamnc.gov
>> Subject: FYI these are still being used
>> Importance: Low?Got this on a property I manage in Duke Forest.??Leslie
>> S. PageREALTOR, Broker, OwnerWest Durham Realty LLC2106 Sprunt Ave.,
>> Durham, NC 27705919-286-9400 office919-602-1963 cell919-246-9375
>> faxLeslie at WestDurhamRealty.comwww.WestDurhamRealty.com<PO
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