INC NEWS - [pac2] Durham Housing Inpections
bragin at nc.rr.com
bragin at nc.rr.com
Mon Mar 12 10:45:29 EDT 2007
One sees similar problems along the 1600 and 1700 blocks of Avondale
Dr., especially on the west side of the street, where several formerly
owner-occupied homes have been abandoned and foreclosed. Although
Avondale has some other issues, particularly traffic related, that drive
down its desirability, the large number of poorly maintained rental
properties is a big part of its overall shabbiness, and helps to
discourage those who want to make an honest investment in a home.
curious that Rick Soles' name also surfaces as the property manager for
a number of the most troublesome addresses in those blocks.
Barry Ragin
----- Original Message -----
From: Cathie McIntyre <cathieannmc at hotmail.com>
Date: Monday, March 12, 2007 10:33 am
Subject: Re: [pac2] Durham Housing Inpections
To: TheOcean1 at aol.com, rollins at appliedinformation.com,
david.phelps7 at verizon.net, ken at seagrovesrealty.com,
pac2 at Yahoogroups.Com, inc-List at Durhaminc.Org
>
> Please let me say a bit about this whole issue of property
> inspections.
> First, I think those of you who write appear to be responsible and
> decent
> landlords. There are, however, plenty of landlords who want only
> the money
> and are willing to let a property fall apart around them as they
> rent to
> less and less desirable tenants.
>
> I have lived at 3209 Alabama Ave. for about 11 years. The property
> next
> door to me has been a problem for the past 9 years. Over the
> years,I have
> contacted the property manager, Rick Soles, and the owners, Mr. and
> Mrs.
> Mickey Broadway. Their attorney sent me a letter saying I should
> not
> contact them any more. Right now the 3211A address has newspapers
> on all of
> the windows and an unlicensed truck in the driveway. There are no
> utilities
> turned on, and the people do not seem to be staying there. They
> drop by
> occasionally.
>
> The last two renters were drug dealers. The police are called to
> this
> address frequently.
>
> I feel sorry for the poor people who live next door at 3211B -- a
> very nice
> family from Mexico and great neighbors.
>
> I tried to sell my house a few years ago but it didn't sell.
> People
> commented to realtors that the place next door was the problem.
>
> And indeed it IS a problem. I don't know what else to do. I am
> not wealthy
> enough to go to court over this, but I'd sure like to know how to
> get this
> property declared a nuisance.
>
> I applaud the idea of property inspections for rentals. Landlords
> must be
> held accountable and all people have the right to fair and decent
> housing.
> Cathie McIntyre
>
>
> >From: TheOcean1 at aol.com
> >To: rollins at appliedinformation.com, david.phelps7 at verizon.net,
>
> >ken at seagrovesrealty.com, pac2 at Yahoogroups.Com, inc-List at Durhaminc.Org
> >Subject: Re: [pac2] Durham Housing Inpections
> >Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:26:54 EDT
> >
> >
> >
> >Screening of tenants! This conversation is about to take a very
> productive>turn!
> >David Rollins you are entirely correct!
> >
> >Properly screening applicants would save the landlords, the
> community, the
> >Police, the courts, and a few others, a whole lot of trouble!
> >
> >Anderson
> >
> >In a message dated 3/12/2007 5:19:47 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> >rollins at appliedinformation.com writes:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >My past rental tenants know me as a fair and evenhanded guy, even
> those>against whom I've had to begin eviction proceedings.
> >
> >My point is that you should screen your tenenats carefully. When
> I moved
> >down here from NY and had to rent a house my references were barely
> >investigated, even though my divorce left me with terrible credit.
>
> >Becoming a landlord
> >carries significant business risks, if and if you're no more
> choosy than
> >the
> >credit card companies who flood my mailbox than you shouldn't be
> surprised>to have a few
> >writeoffs.
> >
> >I'm from New Orleans, where they still have drive through daquiri
> stands
> >and
> >I wouldn't be surprised if you could drink a beer at the
> magistrate's
> >desk!
> >
> >dcr
> >
> >--- Original Message ---
> >From:"TheOcean1 at aol.From:"The<TheOcean1 at aol.The>
> >Sent:Sun 11-3-07 16:30
> >To:"david.phelps7 at To:"david.phelps7<david.phelps7 at david.phelp>,
> "David C.
> >Rollins" <rollins at appliedinforollins@app>, "ken at seagrovesrealty,
> >"ken at sea<ken at seagrovesrealtyken@>, "pac2 at Yahoogroups.,
> >"pac2 at Y<pac2 at Yahoogroups.pac>,
> >"inc-List at Durhaminc., "inc-Li<inc-List at Durhaminc.inc>
> >Cc:
> >Subj:Re: [pac2] Durham Housing Inpections
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >I have to agree with Dave Phelps here, and would even offer a
> suggestion
> >to
> >David C Rollins, and anyone else who's old ethics are tired.
> >
> >Ken was evenhanded suggesting that landlords should provide
> decent
> >housing
> >and fix problems in units, while tenants should pay the rent
> they've
> >agreed
> >to, and not cause problems to their units.
> >
> >You might re-examine your own posting, to see if it may be a
> public
> >airing
> >of your own internal debate. Perhaps your own "young ethics vs
> old
> >ethics"
> >discussion. Easy to understand someone down on their luck due to
> divorce
> >or
> >lots of other reasons, spending their last $10 on a bottle of wine.
> >Just take exactly what you mentioned, and imagine running into
> yourself>today, as Dave Phelps eluded.
> >
> >Old David, (the real estate investor) visits his property where he's
> >evicting the tenant and he's lost 3 months rent so far. He opens
> the door
> >to find
> >young David sitting in the dark, eating ice cream, with a bag of
> weed in
> >his
> >lap next to a take out box from the Angus Barn. You might
> suddenly find
> >you
> >have older ethics than you thought.
> >
> >This isn't intended as a slam, just a recommendation to look
> again at the
> >present David, one who still remembers and understands the young
> David's>perspective and chosen course of action, yet also
> understands current
> >David, the
> >landlord's logical action.
> >
> >We can understand without acceptance, because we've been there
> and done
> >some of that, but that doesn't mean we still agree. I'm confident
> that a
> >little
> >introspection might reveal that the Old David learned enough from
> the
> >Young
> >David, to change his course and his actions enough to call
> himself a real
> >estate investor today.
> >Otherwise he might still be sitting in the dark, and would have
> no beer
> >to
> >offer.
> >
> >With an unusually high percentage of rental vs owner occupied
> homes in
> >this
> >city, Durham needs all the well-balanced landlords and tenants it
> can
> >get.
> >Our city-wide collective advertising could say:
> >
> >"Want to rent, own or invest in a truly great place? If you
> intend to pay
> >your rent or mortgage and expect to maintain the property as if
> you are
> >participating in the re-birth of a neighborhood, come to Durham!
> All
> >others
> >need
> >not apply."
> >
> >The buildings aren't what is making Durham a destination for cool
> people,
> >it's the cool people who are already here! Where else could you
> find real
> >estate investors who can still remember what it was like to be at
> a low
> >point,
> >looking up? I'd like to think Durham is the place you'll most likely
> >encounter
> >the landlord who'll extend a gentle hand to the tenant struggling
> to pay
> >the
> >rent, while they slam a hammer down onto the one that pays with
> profits>from
> >dealing drugs in the unit.
> >
> >I suspect David Rollins is a perfect example of the landlords
> that are
> >changing this City for the better, and that very few of the
> slumlord
> >types
> >subscribe to this listserv. If Ken Gasch seemed a little prudish,
> because
> >of the
> >beer the complaining citizen was holding, since I still haven't
> seen that
> >N&O,
> >I'd bet it's because of the respect he feels for the code
> enforcement
> >staff
> >of the city. Virtually sure he feels about them as I do, that
> they are
> >much
> >like our police, but in less hazardous duty. If you need to make
> a Police
> >report, it might be wise to put the beer down, especially if the
> Police
> >are
> >accompanied by press photographers.
> >Ken and I would suggest you do so out of respect for the Police
> or code
> >enforcement officer.
> >
> >Or put down the beer so you don't start long diatribes on the
> PAC2
> >listserv
> >from folks like me. The whole conversation could be summarized in
> three
> >sentences:
> >
> >Ken Gasch: "Get a load of the good tenant talking to code
> enforcement,>making the complaint with a beer in his hand. Since I
> drink beer myself,
> >that
> >wouldn't lower his credibility in my mind in the least. Not!"
> >
> >David C Rollins: "I don't know. There was a time in my life when
> I would
> >have had some reasonable gripes and could have been holding a
> beer while
> >expressing them"
> >
> >Dave Phelps: "People need to do what they say they are going to
> do when
> >they sign a lease, or all the landlords will go broke and
> there'll be no
> >half
> >gallon containers Ben & Jerry's* "
> >
> >Bill Anderson: "I love this city! It's by dialogues like this,
> between>citizens like you, that this city grows and matures, and
> finds the many
> >balance
> >points it needs to be decidedly different from other cities. And
> these
> >crazy
> >listservs that give us the place to do it!"
> >
> >As Durham grows, may its heart grow larger, and its fist firmer.
> >
> >Would like to thank you for the beer, if there's any left, and
> can I
> >borrow
> >your pressure washer?
> >
> >Bill Anderson
> >*Availability of Ben & Jerry's in quantities of this size is
> unknown and
> >should not be purchased without first consulting your doctor.
> >
> >
> >In a message dated 3/11/2007 2:10:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> >david.phelps7 at david.phelps7@<WBR>veri
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >"Tired old ethics" like honoring one's commitments? Keeping
> one's word?
> >
> >I sincerely hope that as a real estate investor, you don't have
> too many
> >tenants that subscribe to your own priorities of self-indulgence
> over>financial
> >responsibility. If you do, I recommend you buy a whole quarter
> pound of
> >dope
> >and a gallon of Ben and Jerry's before you go belly-up this
> time, because
> >we
> >all know how hard that tax-free cash can be to come by.
> >
> >Thanks for making Ken's point so eloquently.
> >
> >David Phelps
> >Northgate Park
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: _David C. Rollins_ (_mailto:rollins at mailto:rollins at mailto_
> >(mailto:rollins at appliedinformation.com) )
> >To: _ken at seagrovesrealtTo: _mailto:ken at seagrovemailto:ken at _
> >(mailto:ken at seagrovesrealty.com) ) ;
> >_pac2 at Yahoogroups._pac2@_mailto:pac2 at mailto:pac2 at mai_
> >(mailto:pac2 at Yahoogroups.Com) ) ; _inc-List at Durhaminc
> >(_mailto:inc-List at mailto:incmai_ (mailto:inc-List at Durhaminc.Org) )
> >Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 2:47 PM
> >Subject: Re: [pac2] Durham Housing Inpections
> >
> >
> >
> >Please call off your tired old ethics.
> >
> >I was once evicted from my apartment because my assets were
> frozen in
> >divorce proceedings. Because of wage garnishment I was reduced
> to
> >working
> >for
> >cash at a fraction of my consulting rate, and my electricity was
> turned
> >off
> >due
> >to nonpayment.
> >
> >I suppose by your reasoning I should have subsisted on beans and
> rice.
> >Instead I went to a nice restaurant, then bought a pint of ben &
> jerry's>and a
> >bag of weed.
> >
> >As a real estate investor I agree with your other points. Now
> that I've
> >made the mortgage payments for this month, please excuse me
> while I have
> >a
> >beer. There's more on the back porch -- help yourself.
> >
> >Your friend,
> >
> >David Cordell Rollins
> >911 W. Club Blvd. (the Cole-Couch House)
> >Durham North Carolina
> >
> >--- Original Message ---
> >From:"Ken Gasch" <ken at seagrovesrealtyken@>
> >Sent:Sat 10-3-07 13:52
> >To:"pac2 at YahoogroupToToTo:"pac2@<pac2 at Yahoogroups.pac>,
> >"inc-List at Durhaminc,,
> >"inc-List<inc-List at Durhaminc.inc>
> >Cc:
> >Subj:[pac2] Durham Housing Inpections
> >
> >Please correct me if I have jumped to the wrong conclusion here.
> >
> >I saw a photo of our good friend and housing inspector, Rick
> Hester, on
> >the
> >front page of the N&O's Durham News this morning. He was taking
> down a
> >housing complaint from Gary Gentry, a tenant, who was drinking a
> beer in
> >the
> >photo?
> >
> >I have nothing against beer. I love beer, but this man is a few
> months>behind on his rent and had his electricity turned off a
> couple of weeks
> >ago, as
> >per the caption, and he spends the money he does have on beer?
> Also, try
> >swearing out a complaint with the criminal magistrate while
> drinking a
> >beer.
> >They will not allow it. They will tell you to come back when
> you are
> >sober.
> >Why should a
> >civil process be any different? May we please have more details
> on this
> >particular case? I am at a complete loss.
> >
> >To me, it seems that we are seeing a person who is giving a
> fraudulent>complaint, under the influence, in order that he may
> take advantage of
> >our
> >system
> >in an attempt to get a free place to live for three months.
> Again,
> >someone
> >please correct me if I have jumped to the wrong conclusion here.
> Someone
> >please give us Mr. Gentry's address and/or phone number so that
> we may
> >discuss
> >this matter with
> >him for ourselves. I just don't understand and I need to make
> sense of
> >this. Or, can we get Mr. Gentry to attend a PAC2 meeting to
> hear more
> >about his
> >case? I really want to be wrong about this.
> >
> >I appreciate that we will have folks in our city who have fallen
> on bad
> >times, but landlords have got to be paid. Our city needs rental
> housing.>Every
> >city does. Renting homes is a business. People are in business
> to make
> >a
> >return on their investment dollars. If people cannot profit
> from renting
> >homes
> >to our citizens, then investors take their money out of rentals
> and put
> >that
> >money
> >somewhere else. Our supply will subsequently fall. When supply
> falls
> >and
> >demand stays about the same, prices go up. And what will happen
> to the
> >dormant rental stock? It will become the boarded up homes that
> we see
> >hundreds of
> >as we drive the disadvantaged neighborhoods of our city.
> >
> >If a landlord provides a sub-standard unit, the tenant should
> not rent
> >the
> >unit in the first place. Vacancy is high in Durham. Consumers
> have much
> >more
> >power than we think.
> >
> >If something breaks within a rental unit, the tenant should
> report this
> >to
> >the landlord. If the landlord does not fix the problem, the
> tenant
> >should
> >feel empowered to report the deficiency to NIS. If the landlord
> attempts
> > a
> >retaliatory eviction for a legitimate complaint, I want to hear
> about
> >that.
> > I
> >want to hear about it right here on the PAC2 list serve. I want
> to then
> >see
> >that landlord
> >prosecuted to the full extent of the law. I want my community
> to let
> >bad
> >landlords and bad property managers know that we will NOT tolerate
> >retaliatory
> >evictions in Durham. I also want my community to help protect
> the rights
> >of
> >good landlords and property managers. By rewarding the good
> one, we may
> >get
> >the bad ones to change their business practices.
> >
> >I also want deadbeat tenants to know that we will NOT tolerate
> our
> >investors
> >being taken advantage of. Tenants have got to pay the rent.
> Tenants
> >have
> >got to help keep our housing stock in decent shape. Our
> neighbors who
> >are
> >tenants need to report little problems, like a leaking drain
> trap, as
> >soon
> >as
> >they notice it rather than months later after it has already
> done
> >thousands
> >of
> >dollars in
> >damage by leaking all over flooring and sheet rock. This happens
> all to
> >often in Durham and our neighbors who rent end up paying for it in
> the
> >long
> >run.
> >
> >Ken Gasch
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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