[Durham INC] INC-list Digest, Vol 49, Issue 7

Nancy Cox scrapping.nancy at verizon.net
Tue Jan 6 11:22:18 EST 2009 

Randy brings up a thread that I too have pulled at as a new rep for Hope 
Valley Farms.  I am not allowed to vote because my neighborhood does not 
currently have a way to effectively convey information and receive adequate 
input in order for me to vote in a representative way.

I would really like us to look at this issue -it is not unique to INC, I'll 
give a PTA example.  A controversy occurred at a school - PTA leadership 
purported to speak for all PTA members but they had not taken a vote and if 
they had, they would have needed to share four bits of info - total school 
population, how many members they have - how many voted for and how many 
voted against the proposal.

As a newbie - I have been very surprised that INC has taken votes before 
they have taken the information back to their membership.

Finally, I can imagine there are issues that not all INC members should vote 
on -things particular to a region - my beef - no secret here -is the effects 
of development on SW Durham and other regions of Durham with rural areas. 
This issue's impact just isn't felt to the same degree by someone who lives 
outside of SW Durham although I am sure they can and do empathize and of 
course want what is best for all of Durham.  Nevertheless...

The start of a new year is a good time to revisit mission, goals etc.

Nancy Cox
writing just as me not as rep of HVF

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>   1.  what happened... (RW Pickle)
>   2. Re:  what happened... (Reyn Bowman)
>   3.  50% CUTS IN SUBSTANCE ABUSE AND MENTAL HEALTH BUDGETS
>      (pinnaclecdc at aol.com)
>   4. Re:  County Manager's Proposed Budget Actions (Reyn Bowman)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 03:06:04 -0500 (EST)
> From: "RW Pickle" <randy at 27beverly.com>
> Subject: [Durham INC] what happened...
> To: inc-list at durhaminc.org
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> Melissa brings up another point:
>
>>> But I do not think this museum needs any additional improvements at
>>> this time, particularly a new and larger gift shop...and many Durham
>>> citizens did not vote for the prepared food tax because they didn't
>>> want the money used toward this end.
>
> This brings up something that has been a topic of conversation for a
> number of people; both associated with INC and outside of it. But I have
> yet to hear it discussed in an open forum.
>
> How could INC reps be bringing information back to the meetings, and vote
> overwhelmingly for the Meals Tax, only to have it defeated by >73%? It
> just doesn't seem like the neighborhoods and their reps are even talking
> about the issues. Otherwise the INC vote wouldn't have been so positive in
> favor of the tax. (I don't believe anyone voted against it when the vote
> was taken). Obviously there is a problem here somewhere in the
> communication paths. Otherwise you'd expect the vote to be reflected
> similarly by INC as it was by the voters. Yet it was so far off, you have
> to wonder why.
>
> Or is it that only the HOA's that are members of INC truly have a
> membership of ALL of their neighbors while some Associations that make up
> INC have as little as 10% (or less in some cases) membership/participation
> in them? For example, INC currently has Board member that has claimed to
> represent a neighborhood for years. Yet, last year when I mentioned them
> to the long-term President of that Association, she didn't even know them.
> Maybe it's that type of lack of neighborhood conversations/involvement
> that led INC to support something that clearly had little support by the
> people it claims to represent. It's hard to believe that INC is that out
> of touch, but the Meals Tax vote is a clear sign that something is wrong.
> The last couple of years INC has moved further away from the core values
> that made it work so well for so long. It has taken on some bedfellows
> that perhaps it's time to kick out of bed. These are hard things to
> think/talk about, but it's necessary if votes are to be taken on issues
> that clearly the community INC purports to represent believes the exact
> opposite.
>
> RWP
> 27 Beverly
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 06:45:35 -0500
> From: Reyn Bowman <Reyn at Durham-cvb.com>
> Subject: Re: [Durham INC] what happened...
> To: RW Pickle <randy at 27beverly.com>, "inc-list at durhaminc.org"
> <inc-list at durhaminc.org>
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> Here is another viewpoint.
>
> Polls indicate the meals tax failure had everything to do with the 
> economy, not popularity of the measure.  Prior to the economic turndown 
> the measure was more than 2 to 1 in favor.
>
> I wouldn't read too much into it or judge those who had much more time to 
> study the pros and cons...voters were given an artificially short window 
> for voter education by virtue of the state legislation.
>
> It was also clear in analysis that had the measure been on a local 
> election ballot as is more typical vs. forced into a presidential, the 
> more than 35,000 votes it received would have given it more than any other 
> measure or candidate for that matter on the previous local election.
>
> One thing is clear.  If it had passed, we'd see 2/3rds of the costs of 
> many things transferred to non-residents, opening up millions in the 
> general fund to soften the impact of these cuts on core services.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: inc-list-bounces at rtpnet.org [mailto:inc-list-bounces at rtpnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of RW Pickle
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 3:06 AM
> To: inc-list at durhaminc.org
> Subject: [Durham INC] what happened...
>
> Melissa brings up another point:
>
>>> But I do not think this museum needs any additional improvements at
>>> this time, particularly a new and larger gift shop...and many Durham
>>> citizens did not vote for the prepared food tax because they didn't
>>> want the money used toward this end.
>
> This brings up something that has been a topic of conversation for a
> number of people; both associated with INC and outside of it. But I have
> yet to hear it discussed in an open forum.
>
> How could INC reps be bringing information back to the meetings, and vote
> overwhelmingly for the Meals Tax, only to have it defeated by >73%? It
> just doesn't seem like the neighborhoods and their reps are even talking
> about the issues. Otherwise the INC vote wouldn't have been so positive in
> favor of the tax. (I don't believe anyone voted against it when the vote
> was taken). Obviously there is a problem here somewhere in the
> communication paths. Otherwise you'd expect the vote to be reflected
> similarly by INC as it was by the voters. Yet it was so far off, you have
> to wonder why.
>
> Or is it that only the HOA's that are members of INC truly have a
> membership of ALL of their neighbors while some Associations that make up
> INC have as little as 10% (or less in some cases) membership/participation
> in them? For example, INC currently has Board member that has claimed to
> represent a neighborhood for years. Yet, last year when I mentioned them
> to the long-term President of that Association, she didn't even know them.
> Maybe it's that type of lack of neighborhood conversations/involvement
> that led INC to support something that clearly had little support by the
> people it claims to represent. It's hard to believe that INC is that out
> of touch, but the Meals Tax vote is a clear sign that something is wrong.
> The last couple of years INC has moved further away from the core values
> that made it work so well for so long. It has taken on some bedfellows
> that perhaps it's time to kick out of bed. These are hard things to
> think/talk about, but it's necessary if votes are to be taken on issues
> that clearly the community INC purports to represent believes the exact
> opposite.
>
> RWP
> 27 Beverly
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 06:50:02 EST
> From: pinnaclecdc at aol.com
> Subject: [Durham INC] 50% CUTS IN SUBSTANCE ABUSE AND MENTAL HEALTH
> BUDGETS
> To: inc-list at rtpnet.org
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> Hello,
> Many providers of substance  abuse and mental health services funds 
> received
> cuts of up to 50% before January  2009. This was not about poor 
> performers,
> etc. It was an across the board  decrease. I am sure that it was not an 
> easy
> decision for the Durham Center, but, my first concern was for  those 
> needing
> treatment. Our funding was cut also, (pending  availability and State 
> budget
> issues) and we had to become creative  quickly. There are still people who 
> need
> services.
> NOT ASKING FOR MONEY!!! - MEETING ANNOUNCEMENT - NOT ABOUT  MONEY!!
> To  that end, I am writing to you on behalf  of Durham Together for 
> Resilient
> Youth, Drug Free Community Coalition. We are a  hard-working coalition 
> that
> decided to take action a few years ago after  researching the relationship
> between substance use and incarceration, illness and even death. It shows 
> that
> substance abuse exacerbates problems such as domestic violence, child
> maltreatment, and homelessness.
> We highly respect  and actively support the great work currently being 
> done
> by local government  agencies, and treatment providers
> Our membership includes  parents and youth as well as valued community
> partners. We believe that if we collaborate, we  will have a greater 
> impact on
> strengthening our families here in Durham and on building  resiliency in 
> our youth.
> To that end, we would like to invite you to our monthly  Community 
> Coalition
> meeting on January 9, 2009 at the Durham Public School Staff  Development
> Center, located at 2107  Hillandale Rd Durham, NC 27705 from 6:00 PM ? 
> 8:00 PM.
> You will hear  reports from business, youth, parents, faith, local 
> university
> representatives  and from North Carolina Prevent Underage Drinking. We 
> will
> discuss the Strategic  Prevention Framework that guides our work and how 
> these
> important steps can lead  to substance abuse prevention.
> Please RSVP at _www.DurhamTRY.org_ (http://www.durhamtry.org/)  ? click
> calendar. Attendees who join the coalition will  receive a binder full of 
> great
> information. This meeting is free and open to the  public.
> Thank you for all  you do to support children and families in our 
> community.
> Sincerely,
> Wanda  Boone
> Wanda Boone,  Chief Executive Director
> Durham Together for Resilient  Youth
> Community  Anti-Drug Coalitions of America  MemberNorth  Carolina  Prevent
> Underage Drinking Grant Award  Recipient
> **************New year...new news.  Be the first to know what is making
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> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 07:41:17 -0500
> From: Reyn Bowman <Reyn at Durham-cvb.com>
> Subject: Re: [Durham INC] County Manager's Proposed Budget Actions
> To: "mmr121570 at yahoo.com" <mmr121570 at yahoo.com>,
> "inc-list at DurhamINC.org" <inc-list at DurhamINC.org>
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> I'm not certain but I believe the Museum does all it can to offset 
> expenses with earned income like it generates from the gift shop.  So 
> those who have all the facts are probably making cuts in expenses where 
> they know it won't also result in cuts in revenue...
>
> Last information I had the Museum has a very high degree of popularity and 
> support from residents and especially important, more than 60% of the 
> visitors to the Museum are visitors who are bringing tax dollars into the 
> community that help fund other services.
>
> The meals tax certainly wasn't a referendum on the Museum...
>
> From: inc-list-bounces at rtpnet.org [mailto:inc-list-bounces at rtpnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Melissa Rooney
> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 7:14 PM
> To: inc-list at DurhamINC.org
> Subject: Re: [Durham INC] County Manager's Proposed Budget Actions
>
> Our schools cannot afford any more cuts. In fact, they need significantly 
> more money to accommodate the supposed increase in people moving here (one 
> of the arguments for all the new development we're seeing in the suburban 
> and rural areas). Many of our schools are still overcrowded, particularly 
> those in the rural and suburban areas, and their trailers are now 
> considered permanent fixtures.
>
> Don't mean to be barking up the same tree, but our local gov't needs to 
> kick and scream and demand the ability to vote on NEW DEVELOPMENT impact 
> fees specifically for public school funding. We citizens have been begging 
> our state reps and senators for this ability for years, to no avail. 
> Meanwhile Orange County is still benefiting from these fees which Durham 
> County is prohibited from imposing. In the meantime a referendum to impose 
> land transfer impact fees toward this end should be included on any ballot 
> from here on out... even if it is unfair to our long-term and senior 
> residents, it's the only thing we've got...there must be some way we can 
> offset this unfair effect somehow. Colin, didn't you have some ideas in 
> this regard?
>
> I love the Museum of Life and Science, and all the improvements they've 
> made. I am in full support of the new outdoor section and the Dinosaur 
> trail, which are supposedly already funded via bonds. But I do not think 
> this museum needs any additional improvements at this time, particularly a 
> new and larger gift shop...and many Durham citizens did not vote for the 
> prepared food tax because they didn't want the money used toward this end.
>
> Just my ten cents...
> Melissa
>
>
> --- On Mon, 1/5/09, RW Pickle <randy at 27beverly.com> wrote:
> From: RW Pickle <randy at 27beverly.com>
> Subject: [Durham INC] County Manager's Proposed Budget Actions
> To: fhna-list at fhnanews.com
> Cc: inc-list at durhaminc.org
> Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 6:27 PM
>
> Press release from Durham County.
>
>
>
> Today, the Durham County Board of Commissioners met for their first
>
> Worksession meeting of the New Year.  County Manager Mike Ruffin presented
>
> a plan of recommended actions to accommodate the declines in the economy
>
> and its impact on County operations. The report used a decline in key
>
> revenues as the basis for an overall FY 2009-09 Revenue Shortfall of
>
> $14.25 million dollars. To make up that difference, the County Manager
>
> recommends substantive cuts to county departments? budgets to capture
>
> $8,951,100 and proposes 3% cuts to other county funded agencies including
>
> Durham Public Schools, Durham Technical Community College, Museum of Life
>
> and Science, various non profits and more to
>
> make up the remaining
>
> $5,291.587.
>
>
>
> Dawn D. Dudley
>
>
>
> Public Information Specialist
>
>
>
> Durham County Manager's Office
>
>
>
> 919-560-0008  desk
>
>
>
> 919-475-4411  cell
>
>
>
> ddudley at co.durham.nc.us
>
>
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