[Durham INC] Fw: News From Durham People's Alliance
Melissa Rooney
mmr121570 at yahoo.com
Mon Feb 9 11:47:23 EST 2009
Good point, Pat. In addition, I don't see why the Board of County Commissioners can't, themselves, simply reject Mr. Hunter's survey on the basis of conflicts of interest. Then let HIM petition them to provide a new survey, if he believes that an independent survey will back up his results.
If the bad precedent of a developer-provided survey isn't enough reason to reject Mr. Hunter's survey, particularly since he stands to profit from the changes, then the BOCC should be able to reject it based on its inadequacies. Two important inadequacies to address are:
1) The survey doesn't have enough resolution, particularly compared to independent surveys utilized up to now.
At the November 24th BOCC regular meeting, Planning Director Steve
Medlin explained that prior to the 2005 Jordan Lake survey (the one under
contention), the watershed boundaries were delineated based on 1974
USGS quads, which basically showed 10 foot graduation of elevations.
For the 2005 survey, the surveyor identified 8 points out in the field to establish what was the 215 foot
normal pool elevation.
Only 8 points out in the field! That means that there are thousands of feet b/w each point.
On the other hand, at the November 24th BOCC meeting, then-commission-chair Ellen Reckhow said that, when she read the specs for the INDEPENDENT Survey (the survey the BOCC was considering commissioning) the work appeared 'detailed and thorough'...that they were going to be setting up measurements at close intervals, much closer than the distances used by the developer-provided survey.
Furthermore, Chairwoman Reckhow said that in an email the manager forwarded the board earlier that day, someone at the state was asking (of the developer provided survey), 'why are there these big intervals between the points?'
At this same meeting, County Attorney Chuck Kitchen stated that 'the points are fairly far apart compared to what has been asked for.'
And County Manager Mike Ruffin stated, "there are not enough reference points in those first two surveys [provided by developer Neal Hunter] to pass muster with DWQ." Of course that leads us to question why the DWQ did, in fact, approve this inadequate survey...Was there any outside pressure on them to do so? In other words, were conflicting special interests at play here too?
(To verify these statements of Steve Medlin, Ellen Reckhow, County Attorney Kitchen, and County Manager Ruffin, go to the following link and fast-forward the video of the BOCC meeting to 3:03, 3:19, 3:47, and 3:54, respectively:
http://durhamcounty.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=2&clip_id=204
2) A colleague and friend noticed that Hunter's 'new' survey resulted in changes ONLY to the
1 mile critical, without changing the ½ mile critical and 5 mile protected
boundary. It stands to reason that you can’t change one
without changing the others…a survey doesn’t work that way…at
least it SHOULDN’T work that way.
In this regard, Hunter's letter to DWQ indicates that "the County's action in 2006
[that is, Frank Duke's decision to move the Jordan Lake boundary based
on the developer provided survey] as well as the county's recent
submittal [to DWQ]...only involved a boundary change of their 1 mile
CA [Critical Area]." Later Mr. Hunter writes, "Let me repeat, the 5 mile PA [protected area] was not changed in the January 6, 2006, actioin." To see this letter for yourself, click the following link:
http://www.indyweek.com/pdf/120308/HunterLetterToVentaloro.pdf
(For more clarification of the 1/2, 1 and 5 mile critical areas, see the attached picture)
** Why should Durham have to pay for a new survey? Why can't they simply say no to the developer-provided survey, based on the above inadequacies. In other words, at the very least, why can't Durham just stick with the boundaries that have been in place for years.
Surely, it seems that the majority of Durham citizens agree: If Durham IS going to go with a new survey, it should not be one provided by anyone who stands to profit from the results. For evidence of this statement, note that the Petition for an Independent Jordan Lake Survey has accumulated over 1000 signatures in a mere 2.5 days: http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?jrdnsrvy
To
those who might argue that since the Division of Water Quality (DWQ)
approved the survey, Durham should do so as well...Let me point out
that the DWQ department that reviewed the survey admitted that they didn't have survey expertise.
Melissa
Melissa Rooneymmr121570 at yahoo.com
--- On Mon, 2/9/09, Pat Carstensen <pats1717 at hotmail.com> wrote:
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I'm generally frustrated by this whole exchange. On the one hand, the cost of the county doing its own survey would cover the salary of at least one employee for the whole year -- something to consider in these tough times. On the other hand, the developers have enlarged every possible loophole -- a record that makes me want to check every word they say (including the "buts" and the "ands", to quote some famous person).
I'm not sure why doing our own survey has to cost so much. It's probably the "truth is proportional to what you pay for it" theorem. Somewhere in the report, there has to be some facts that could be independently verified (get some geo-caching folks out on the corps lands to check some co-ordinates or something) or some other way that we can do the "verify" part of "trust but verify."
Regards, pat
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 20:38:00 -0800
From: mmr121570 at yahoo.com
To: inc-list at durhaminc.org
Subject: Re: [Durham INC] Fw: News From Durham People's Alliance
Ken,
This issue has been covered extensively by the N&O, Herald Sun, Independent Weekly, and several blogs since November, 2008. Here are some good links -- Matt Saldana, with the Indy, does a great job of including links to the actual letters and sources of his information, so that you can form your own opinion based on the facts:
http://www.indyweek.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A271898
http://www.indyweek.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A272431
http://www.indyweekblogs.com/triangulator/tag/jordan-lake/
--Melissa (Rooney)
--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Ken Gasch <Ken at KenGasch.com> wrote:
From: Ken Gasch <Ken at KenGasch.com>
Subject: RE: [Durham INC] Fw: News From Durham People's
Alliance
To: "Barry Ragin" <bragin at nc.rr.com>
Cc: mmr121570 at yahoo.com, inc-list at durhaminc.org
Date: Sunday, February 8, 2009, 10:13 AM
Barry,
Don't get so worked up. I do not know enough about the circumstances to
decide either way. I will probably not be able to decide based on the
information I currently have access to.
Ken Gasch
-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Ragin [mailto:bragin at nc.rr.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 9:59 AM
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Cc: mmr121570 at yahoo.com; inc-list at durhaminc.org
Subject: Re: [Durham INC] Fw: News From Durham People's Alliance
How does the People's Alliance statement "cast stones?" Or call
anyone
"guilty?" This isn't a criminal trial, and there is no need for a
presumption of innocence or proof of guilt.
It merely states: "No matter the accuracy or inaccuracy of the survey,
this is a dangerous precedent and does
not serve the best interests of
the citizens of Durham. Any adjustments to the normal pool boundary and
critical watershed boundary should be made only on *the basis of an
impartial and independent survey by a firm hired by the Durham County
Commissioners*."
That there is a conflict of interest in accepting a survey paid for by
someone who stands to profit from that survey is so blindingly obvious
that even our County Commissioners should be able to recognize it. If a
taxpayer funded survey shows the same results, they can still be
challenged on scientific grounds, but at least the credibility of the
process will remain intact. If i were a developer, i think i'd far
prefer that scenario.
Barry Ragin
Ken Gasch wrote:
> Would it not be wise to speak to the developer before casting stones?
> Or, are all developers sinister villains who are guilty until proven
>
innocent?
>
> Ken Gasch
> REALTOR®/Broker
> Seagroves Realty
> www.KenGasch.com
> C: 919.475.8866
> F: 866.229.4267
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* inc-list-bounces at rtpnet.org
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> *Sent:* Saturday, February 07, 2009 11:37 PM
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> *Subject:* [Durham INC] Fw: News From Durham People's Alliance
>
> Please see the People's Alliance's Statement-- against the
> Developer-paid Jordan Lake Survey -- posted in their Feb 5
> newsletter (attached below).
>
>
> Shouldn't the INC make a statement on this issue at our Feb
> meeting? It would be best if someone other than me brought this
> forward, since I've already been at the helm of the resolution for
> responsible
development as well as the petition for an Independent
> Jordan Lake Survey (
> http://www.petitiononline.com/jrdnsrvy/petition.html )
>
>
> Thanks in advance for your concern and help in this very serious
> matter!
>
> Melissa (Rooney)
>
>
> Feb 5 Statement in the PA newsletter:
>
>
> "Recently the Durham County Commission voted, 3-2, to support a
> survey of the boundary of Jordan Lake paid for by a developer who
> stands to benefit from a change in the lake's official boundaries.
> PA responded in a letter to the County Commission:
>
> "The Durham People's Alliance opposes modifications of the
> Critical Watershed Boundary of Jordan Lake based on a survey paid
> for by a private developer with obvious self-interest.
>
> We are disappointed that a majority of
CountyCommissioners voted
> to send to the state Water Supply Watershed Protection Program for
> approval, a survey that a developer has paid for that
> coincidentally shifts the normal pool boundary away from the
> developer's property, thereby increasing its value many times
> over. No matter the accuracy or inaccuracy of the survey, this is
> a dangerous precedent and does not serve the best interests of the
> citizens of Durham. Any adjustments to the normal pool boundary
> and critical watershed boundary should be made only on the basis
> of an impartial and independent survey by a firm hired by the
> Durham County Commissioners."
>
> The full PA statement can be seen on the PA website:
> www.durhampa.org."
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> "The Durham People's Alliance opposes modifications of
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> We are disappointed that a majority of CountyCommissioners
> voted to send to the state Water Supply Watershed Protection
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> that coincidentally shifts the normal pool boundary away
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> times over. No matter the accuracy or inaccuracy of the
> survey, this is a dangerous precedent and does not serve the
> best interests of the citizens of Durham. Any adjustments to
> the normal pool boundary and critical watershed boundary
> should be made only on the basis of an impartial and
> independent survey by a firm hired by the Durham County
> Commissioners."
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