[Durham INC] [C+H Neighborhood] Copper Theft

[Deanna Crossman]

Randy,

If you examine it closely, it isn't a tax on recycling, it is a tax on
income, income which is currently evading tax illegally.  It is
currently the responsibility of the income receiver to declare it,
however it is only the law-abiding (like you) who follow the rules and
properly declare their income. This simply causes the seller to
formally recognize their income - just like the rest of us.

Nothing special here, it looks like it's just closing a loophole which
allows illegal activity to flourish, and raising funds for the state
in the process.

-crc

On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 2:27 PM, RW Pickle <randy at 27beverly.com> wrote:
> So now, even though many recycling efforts have failed, we want to further
> "tax" the recycling industry? I understand the desire of this, but
> recycling should be rewarded and not penalized. And adding to the burden
> is not the way to do this. You already have to have a valid photo ID to
> recycle metals (at valid recycling operations) and personal information is
> gathered in that process. What's the purpose of the legislation when
> thieves can just haul their booty to VA (like the manhole cover thefts
> that occurred last year)? These are thefts of personal property (from
> private property typically) and do not effect the common nature of
> city-wide neighborhoods. Home owners insurance generally covers the theft
> so there is no public loss. It's not a neighborhood issue when only
> individuals are the ones involved... And although I'll suggest this with
> no supporting evidence, it may be that the individual property owners are
> involved in the thefts themselves. It would be a lot cheaper to pay the
> insurance premiums than replace a HVAC system in a property for sell. Not
> may homes have ever had the copper removed while occupied...
>
> In conversations just now with the Captain of District 3, he said copper
> theft has almost disappeared. He didn't recall one in the last 30 days.
> And he didn't recall it being an issue across the City when the whole
> Police force leadership met last. There are more car thefts across this
> City than copper thefts. And this is every day... So are junk yards next?
>
> This is another "feel good" issue that is best left out of our Legislative
> Delegation's hands. I'll mention this again, a far better issue for them
> to take forward is a communication/database system where all local law
> enforcement can find out information. As an example, Durham County
> Sheriff's Department does not have access to the P2P system that Durham
> City Police uses. And as you spread out across our region, you have
> Orange, Wake, Person, etc. that do not have the same access of information
> sharing. The week before Eve Carson was shot, those involved were over in
> Orange County (they didn't live there) and were stopped for another issue.
> Had Orange County been able to see they were on probation in Durham, they
> would have been in jail and not involved in the Carson death. To me, this
> is one of the most pressing law enforcement issues that would make all of
> our streets safer.
>
> Build a metal box around your HVAC ststem to protect it from theft if it's
> an issue, don't ask our Legislative Delegation to waste time on personal
> issues...
>
> RWP
> 27 Beverly
>
>
>
>>
>> I think this is an excellent resolution. In addition to being a
>> neighborhood
>> issue, it is also a crime issue. Therefor (in my opinion) it should  be
>> endorsed by all five of Durham's Partners Against Crime organizations,
>> Durham
>> Businesses Against Crime, and InterNeighborhood Council.
>>
>> Since I'm not subscribed to PAC 1, 3, 4, & 5, perhaps someone will
>> forward
>> this suggestion to the others.
>>
>> Bill Anderson
>> PAC2
>>
>> In a message dated 3/12/2009 12:02:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> Ken at KenGasch.com writes:
>>
>>
>>
>> Please take a gander at resolution below. Authored by Colin  Crossman and
>> me..
>>
>> Would like for Cleveland-Holloway to sponsor.   (i.e. place in hopper for
>> INC)
>>
>> Comments?  Questions?  Go,  no-Go?
>>
>> Ken  Gasch
>> ********************************************************************
>>
>>
>> Whereas,  the current laws respecting the theft of copper, including
>> the latest  revisions passed by the North Carolina General Assembly in
>> _____, have not  been successful in stemming the tide of copper theft;
>> and
>>
>> Whereas,  though the economic downturn has decreased the price of
>> copper, the  magnitude of the problem is only increasing, and the
>> injury done to the  community is substantial; and
>>
>> Whereas, the State of North Carolina and  the several counties and
>> municipalities are facing an extreme budget  shortfall, and that such a
>> shortfall is not helped by the fact that metal  recyclers do not report
>> metal sales to the taxing authority, and this  results in a tremendous
>> amount of untaxed economic activity;
>>
>> IT IS  HEREBY RESOLVED that the Durham InterNeighborhood Council
>> express the sense  of the neighborhoods to the Durham Elected Officials
>> and the Durham State  Delegation that copper theft remains a problem
>> and that the state should  look into alternatives which cause all metal
>> transactions to be reported to  the Revenue Office, linked with a valid
>> tax id number of the metal seller,  for all transactions above  $10.00.
>>
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