[Durham INC] [C+H Neighborhood] Copper Theft

Thu Mar 12 15:27:14 EDT 2009

Oops, this is actually from Colin, not Deanna.

-crc

On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Deanna Crossman <deanna at crc32.com> wrote:
> Randy,
>
> If you examine it closely, it isn't a tax on recycling, it is a tax on
> income, income which is currently evading tax illegally.  It is
> currently the responsibility of the income receiver to declare it,
> however it is only the law-abiding (like you) who follow the rules and
> properly declare their income. This simply causes the seller to
> formally recognize their income - just like the rest of us.
>
> Nothing special here, it looks like it's just closing a loophole which
> allows illegal activity to flourish, and raising funds for the state
> in the process.
>
> -crc
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 2:27 PM, RW Pickle <randy at 27beverly.com> wrote:
>> So now, even though many recycling efforts have failed, we want to further
>> "tax" the recycling industry? I understand the desire of this, but
>> recycling should be rewarded and not penalized. And adding to the burden
>> is not the way to do this. You already have to have a valid photo ID to
>> recycle metals (at valid recycling operations) and personal information is
>> gathered in that process. What's the purpose of the legislation when
>> thieves can just haul their booty to VA (like the manhole cover thefts
>> that occurred last year)? These are thefts of personal property (from
>> private property typically) and do not effect the common nature of
>> city-wide neighborhoods. Home owners insurance generally covers the theft
>> so there is no public loss. It's not a neighborhood issue when only
>> individuals are the ones involved... And although I'll suggest this with
>> no supporting evidence, it may be that the individual property owners are
>> involved in the thefts themselves. It would be a lot cheaper to pay the
>> insurance premiums than replace a HVAC system in a property for sell. Not
>> may homes have ever had the copper removed while occupied...
>>
>> In conversations just now with the Captain of District 3, he said copper
>> theft has almost disappeared. He didn't recall one in the last 30 days.
>> And he didn't recall it being an issue across the City when the whole
>> Police force leadership met last. There are more car thefts across this
>> City than copper thefts. And this is every day... So are junk yards next?
>>
>> This is another "feel good" issue that is best left out of our Legislative
>> Delegation's hands. I'll mention this again, a far better issue for them
>> to take forward is a communication/database system where all local law
>> enforcement can find out information. As an example, Durham County
>> Sheriff's Department does not have access to the P2P system that Durham
>> City Police uses. And as you spread out across our region, you have
>> Orange, Wake, Person, etc. that do not have the same access of information
>> sharing. The week before Eve Carson was shot, those involved were over in
>> Orange County (they didn't live there) and were stopped for another issue.
>> Had Orange County been able to see they were on probation in Durham, they
>> would have been in jail and not involved in the Carson death. To me, this
>> is one of the most pressing law enforcement issues that would make all of
>> our streets safer.
>>
>> Build a metal box around your HVAC ststem to protect it from theft if it's
>> an issue, don't ask our Legislative Delegation to waste time on personal
>> issues...
>>
>> RWP
>> 27 Beverly
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I think this is an excellent resolution. In addition to being a
>>> neighborhood
>>> issue, it is also a crime issue. Therefor (in my opinion) it should  be
>>> endorsed by all five of Durham's Partners Against Crime organizations,
>>> Durham
>>> Businesses Against Crime, and InterNeighborhood Council.
>>>
>>> Since I'm not subscribed to PAC 1, 3, 4, & 5, perhaps someone will
>>> forward
>>> this suggestion to the others.
>>>
>>> Bill Anderson
>>> PAC2
>>>
>>> In a message dated 3/12/2009 12:02:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> Ken at KenGasch.com writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Please take a gander at resolution below. Authored by Colin  Crossman and
>>> me..
>>>
>>> Would like for Cleveland-Holloway to sponsor.   (i.e. place in hopper for
>>> INC)
>>>
>>> Comments?  Questions?  Go,  no-Go?
>>>
>>> Ken  Gasch
>>> ********************************************************************
>>>
>>>
>>> Whereas,  the current laws respecting the theft of copper, including
>>> the latest  revisions passed by the North Carolina General Assembly in
>>> _____, have not  been successful in stemming the tide of copper theft;
>>> and
>>>
>>> Whereas,  though the economic downturn has decreased the price of
>>> copper, the  magnitude of the problem is only increasing, and the
>>> injury done to the  community is substantial; and
>>>
>>> Whereas, the State of North Carolina and  the several counties and
>>> municipalities are facing an extreme budget  shortfall, and that such a
>>> shortfall is not helped by the fact that metal  recyclers do not report
>>> metal sales to the taxing authority, and this  results in a tremendous
>>> amount of untaxed economic activity;
>>>
>>> IT IS  HEREBY RESOLVED that the Durham InterNeighborhood Council
>>> express the sense  of the neighborhoods to the Durham Elected Officials
>>> and the Durham State  Delegation that copper theft remains a problem
>>> and that the state should  look into alternatives which cause all metal
>>> transactions to be reported to  the Revenue Office, linked with a valid
>>> tax id number of the metal seller,  for all transactions above  $10.00.
>>>
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