[Durham INC] Tom Bonfield~ [pac2] Property Managers - how tofind out about them?

Ethel Simonetti ethel at tubaexchange.com
Fri Sep 18 17:26:56 EDT 2009


Great idea, Mike, re DAHC dealing with the landlord registry. Thanks.
Can someone bring this up at the low income housing non-profit roundtable
and related DAHC sponsored events in Oct?
Super idea,
Ethel


On 9/16/09 11:42 AM, "M. W. Shiflett - Hotmail" <mwshiflett at hotmail.com>
wrote:

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> All,
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> For me,  I believe that the Campaign for Decent Housing would be the logical
> 'lead' organization to orchestrate this.
>  
> While I am a big fan of both INC and the PAC's,  it makes more sense to me to
> use Lorisa Seibel and the Campaign as the champion agency that already has a
> deeper knowledge, historical background and institutional memory regarding
> landlord responsibility.
>  
> Besides having an in-depth understanding of tenant duties and leasing
> agreements between a landlord and a renter,  the CDH also understands the
> affect that contract has on those parties AND the impact it has on surrounding
> neighbors and the city at large when things don't go as smoothly as everyone
> expects.
>  
> It'd make perfect sense to have the Campaign to coordinate the coalition
> (including INC, the PAC's, Durham CAN, Realtors, etc) rather than have each
> one trying to replicate a new wheel.
>  
> Mike Shiflett
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>> ----- Original Message -----
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>> From:  Matthew  Dudek <mailto:matt.dudek at gmail.com>
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>> To: Darius.M.Little at alumni.unc.edu
>>  
>> Cc: Tom.Bonfield at durhamnc.gov ; pac2 at yahoogroups.com ; inc-list at durhaminc.org
>> ; TheOcean1 at aol.com
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>> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 11:04  AM
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>> Subject: Re: [Durham INC] Tom Bonfield~  [pac2] Property Managers - how
>> tofind out about them?
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>> 
>> I  know we've talked about wanting this in the  Cleveland-Holloway
>> neighborhood before. I also know this was a recommendation  that came out of
>> some neighborhood planning exercises in North East Central  Durham.
>> 
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>> I'd love to see INC and the PACs champion this issue and make it a  campaign
>> issue. Let's finally get this on the agenda and make this happen.
>> Transparency and accountability are never bad things.
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>>  
>> Matt Dudek
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>> 502 Mallard Ave.
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>> 919 381 7577
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>> On Sep 16, 2009, at 9:48 AM, Darius.M.Little at alumni.unc.edu  wrote:
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>>> FYI: not a candidate plug here, but wanted to add for you that this  idea is
>>> great and in some areas has successfully been implemented.  I  know over
>>> near Southpoint Mall, in my neck of the woods, we've had  situations where
>>> we wanted to talk to property owners about various issues  with tenants
>>> (after not 'getting through' to the lessee directly - and  wanting to avoid
>>> confrontation, but ended-up in the  PO-Box-Galaxy-of-Neverfind).  In our
>>> area, it is now understood that  all property management companies report to
>>> the Homeowner's Association of  that subdivision, which properties they own
>>> in that neighborhood.
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>>>  
>>> I'd be happy to assist Mr. Bonfield, or anyone, in executing this  endeavor,
>>> as I've been through it before.
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> - Darius
>>> 
>>>  
>>> "And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer,  believing, ye shall
>>> receive." [Matt 21:22]
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>>>  
>>>  
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: TheOcean1 at aol.com
>>> To: Tom.Bonfield at durhamnc.gov; pac2 at yahoogroups.com
>>> Cc: inc-list at durhaminc.org
>>> Sent:  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:55 pm
>>> Subject: [Durham INC] Tom Bonfield~ [pac2]  Property Managers - how to find
>>> out about them?
>>> 
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>>>  
>>> Hold on, 3 years is a long time in Durham. Maybe our new city manager  likes
>>> the idea, perhaps Pensacola even had a similar program. Or maybe he  won't
>>> like the idea, but let's give him a chance to tell us.
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>>>  
>>>  
>>> Mr. Bonfield,
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>>>  
>>>  
>>> What are your thoughts regarding property managers simply registering  with
>>> the city a list of the properties they manage?
>>> 
>>> As pointed out  below, community activists have been interested in this for
>>> years, because  of an occasional need to contact the responsible party. But
>>> I would think  city staff has a much more regular need for the same
>>> information, surprised  the request hasn't been coming from them, instead of
>>> the community.
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>>>  
>>>  
>>> Bill Anderson
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>>> PAC2
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>>>  
>>> In a message dated 9/15/2009 1:26:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> kjj1 at duke.edu  writes:
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>>>>  
>>>> Elizabeth--
>>>> Good luck pushing this issue. It is  nearly impossible to find out who
>>>> manages properties. It strikes me as odd  in this age of databases & ease
>>>> of making information widely  available, that something as simple as
>>>> requiring property managers to  submit an excel spreadsheet listing all the
>>>> properties they manage to a  central clearinghouse where it could be made
>>>> available to the public is a  big deal. But it seems to be. Property
>>>> managers resist it and the city  seems to go along with them.
>>>> 
>>>> It was last pushed hard 3-4 years ago.  There is always a great deal of
>>>> interest from neighborhood associations  and citizens and a fair amount of
>>>> resistance from property managers and  city officials.
>>>> 
>>>> Kelly Jarrett
>>>> 
>>>> Steve Graff wrote:
>>>>>    
>>>>>  
>>>>> Hi Elizabeth,
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> This is one of the biggest struggles, finding out who to contact  about
>>>>> problems with a property in the neighborhood. As you have  discovered, the
>>>>> Durham GIS system only lists the name and address for  the property owner
>>>>> (no phone number), but no information for the  property management
>>>>> company. Often times, the owner is in another state  entirely, and the
>>>>> address listed is a P.O. box.
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> Sometimes with the name and address you can use a search engine  such as
>>>>> Google to try to find additional information for the owners.  Other times,
>>>>> this information is not available.
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> As an example, there is a four-plex apartment building just down  the
>>>>> street from us. About a year ago it was purchased and renovated by  the
>>>>> new owners, including replacing all of the windows. I was glad to  see
>>>>> this happen as this apartment building was the scene of a shooting a  few
>>>>> years ago.
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> Everythi ng seemed to be going well up until recently. Then tenants
>>>>> started to play loud music at all time of day and night. Then they
>>>>> started throwing their trash into the ravine next to the building. Then
>>>>> we started to hear loud arguments. Then we started to hear glass bottles
>>>>> being broken on the ground. Then I started to see drug deals occurring
>>>>> there. Then one of the residents started speeding up and and down the
>>>>> street at 60+ mph endangering the residents who walk up and down this
>>>>> street (where there are no sidewalks).
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> There was a big thread on various PAC mailing lists about the need  for a
>>>>> property registry sometime earlier this year. The need is clear.  There
>>>>> needs to be some way to contact property managers to notify them  to
>>>>> concerns about their property, so that they can take appropriate  action
>>>>> before bad renters trash their property and continue to continue  to trash
>>>>> the neighborhood.
>>>>>  
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>>>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>>> Steve Graff
>>>>>  
>>>>> President
>>>>>  
>>>>> Old North Durham Neighborhood Association
>>>>>  
>>>>> http://www.oldnorthdurham.com/
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> slgraff at gmail.com
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>>> On Sep 15, 2009, at 10:37 AM, elizabeth_gill99 wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>    
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Walltown is reactivating Neighborhood Watch, we  are starting with a few
>>>>>> blocks with the hope of growing. Question: we  know how to find out who
>>>>>> owns properties on the City web site, but is  there a easy way to find
>>>>>> out who manages them? I don't mind contacting  delinquent owners but
>>>>>> would love to contact the property managers  too.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Elizabeth K.  Gill
>>>>>> 
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