[Durham INC] instead of plywood on windows...
TheOcean1 at aol.com
TheOcean1 at aol.com
Fri Mar 4 23:19:05 EST 2011
Not every family is up for the challenge of renovating a house while they
try to live in it. Some families need a "ready to move in" home. So there is
a place for the investor/renovator, and they can play an important role.
They might only own the house for 8 months while they renovate, but it
leads to the new family moving in.
Bill
In a message dated 3/4/2011 11:09:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mmr121570 at yahoo.com writes:
LOVE Bill's idea of providing bonuses to realtors who sell homes in areas
needing renovation/revitalization. How do we ensure the homes are sold to
people who intend to upkeep them and to keep them occupied?
Melissa
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From: Ken Gasch <Ken at KenGasch.com>;
To: Barry Ragin <bragin at nc.rr.com>;
Cc: INC INC <inc-list at durhaminc.org>;
Subject: Re: [Durham INC] instead of plywood on windows...
Sent: Sat, Mar 5, 2011 1:37:48 AM
Pointing fingers at and disrespecting the folks who leave houses empty
will not get results. Been there, done that. I guarantee that those folks do
not want to have the houses empty any more than you or I do. When you
approach a person looking for a mutually beneficial solution, in friendship,
mountains are moved.
Ken Gasch
REALTOR®/Broker
Seagroves Realty
_www.KenGasch.com_ (http://www.kengasch.com/)
C: 919.475.8866
F: 866.229.4267
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Barry Ragin <_bragin at nc.rr.com_
(javascript:return) > wrote:
Capital idea, Bill. Perhaps we could raise that money by imposing some
sort of fee on people who buy houses and then leave them them vacant.
1806 through 1810 Avondale, for starters.
Barry Ragin
On 3/4/11 3:04 PM, _TheOcean1 at aol.com_ (javascript:return) wrote:
'ppreciate the shout out, Matt.
I suppose you know that one of the doors that sported that sneaker print
was yours, and that was less than 3 years ago! Just look at your block
today.... wow, you and your neighbors should be very proud.
Can you imagine what Cleveland Holloway would be like now if Ken & I
weren't almost the only Realtors interested in your neighborhood in those days?
We didn't need a financial incentive, but I think other Realtors would
react to more money.
If a fund could be established that would add a $1,000 bonus to any
Realtor who sells a boarded up gem, perhaps a bunch of other Realtors would be
carting their clients around Cleveland Holloway.
Those clients might become your new neighbors.
If all it took to fill those 15 nearby vacant houses was a pool of $15,000
total, it would seem like a bargain in the long run. Especially when the
County sees the up tick in property taxes collected.
Just thinking out loud,
*Bill Anderson*
REALTOR
919 282-8209 Cell
_www.SeagrovesRealty.com_ (http://www.seagrovesrealty.com/)
In a message dated 3/4/2011 2:34:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
_matt.dudek at gmail.com_ (javascript:return) writes:
I agree that boards aren't ideal, and I think Art is great as a
temporary fix to bring focus on a neighborhood in need of help. In
Detroit though, as far as I understand, those art installations
were never meant to be permanent. The intention was to get news
crews to show the need for investment in those neighborhoods. Now
it's become a part of "ruins porn."
I live in Cleveland-Holloway and even though there has been
significant reinvestment, and a number of vacant houses renovated,
there are still 15 vacant/abandoned houses within a block and a
half of my house. I don't want permanent art installations that
outsiders come to gawk at. I want /new neighbors,/ permanent,
real-life new neighbors invested in the health of the area.
I think the city's installation on Holloway St. is great, and I
think the temporary New Neighbors exhibit is a fantastic idea. I
hope it brings people to East Durham and shows what a vibrant,
functioning community it is. I know the intent of the program was
to get people to buy houses in East Durham, and I hope that's what
it accomplishes.
(And I should mention that both Ken Gasch and Bill Anderson have
been instrumental in bringing new owner occupiers to
Cleveland-Holloway. I hope more real estate agents start showing
more homes in our neighborhood and other East Durham Neighborhoods
to people looking to buy a home for themselves, and not just
investment properties.)
Just my two cents.
Matt Dudek
*Cleveland-Holloway*
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 1:59 PM, <_TheOcean1 at aol.com_ (javascript:return)
<mailto:_TheOcean1 at aol.com_ (javascript:return) >> wrote:
I love Melissa's idea (about the painting contest, not young
kids using them as meeting locations), and greatly prefer the
look of that house on Holloway with these windows/painted
plywood to secure it.
But I'm a little concerned that owners of boarded up houses
will view this as a more permanent solution than the old style
of boarding up the house.
They won't be productive properties again until they are
occupied, and as a Realtor, it's hard to show a boarded up
house, painted boards or otherwise. I see boarded up houses as
property that needs to change hands for everyone's sake, the
neighborhood, the former owner and the future owner, even the
house itself.
Since I'm on the committee, I wanted to make proper disclosure
that I'm a Realtor with a history of buying/selling vacant
properties. There's no money in it, which is part of the
problem. I became a Realtor to assist a neighborhood. One of
the primo houses, with a piece of Ellerbee Creek running thru
it's backyard, we bought for less than $20k. Do the math, my
take was less than $300. and most wouldn't have done the
paperwork for that. But it helped transfer ownership so the
renovations could begin.
My reason for bringing up that house is that it was easy to
show to perspective buyers/renovators. The front door had been
kicked in, and the same sneaker print was also on the front
door of the house next door.
Both of these houses are now beautifully renovated and owner
occupied.
Not sure that would be the case if they had been boarded up,
with decorated boards or plain ones.
I think the question might be: "Which helps a house change
hands faster, decorative boards, or a Realtor who is community
minded enough to do the work for peanuts?"
*Bill Anderson*
In a message dated 3/4/2011 10:15:07 A.M. Eastern Standard
Time, _fletch.groups at gmail.com_ (javascript:return)
<mailto:_fletch.groups at gmail.com_ (javascript:return) >
writes:
Ken, not every boarded up house has a neighbor that can
keep an eye on it. There are entire blocks of streets that
are made up entirely of boarded up houses. Turning these
buildings into art may increase traffic and visibility
around them, helping decrease squatters and general crime
in the neighborhoods they are in. Detroit has had some
success with this
<_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heidelberg_Project_
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heidelberg_Project) >.
On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 10:34 PM, Ken Gasch
<_Ken at kengasch.com_ (javascript:return) <mailto:_Ken at kengasch.com_
(javascript:return) >> wrote:
Boarded up windows scream: "Hello squatter, please
consider prying a board loose on my back side and
coming on in. As you can see by my boarded up windows,
I am empty and nobody will bother you for weeks at a
time." Artwork will do the same thing.
Boarding up homes is a bad policy.
Homes should be lived in.
I have had to keep squatters out of houses scores of
times.
For starters, go in a few times and throw all their
belongings out. That usually keeps them from coming back.
Empower the neighbors to watch the house for you. I
have one project where a neighbor ran off some
would-be looters/squatters with a 12-gage, double
barrel shotgun.
Get temporary power on and play music and keep a light
on or two. Put lights on timers.
& Sign a trespass agreement with the police and post "no
trespassing" signs. My sign is not big and neon
orange. My sign is very small. It does not scream:
"empty house." It is in 12-point type and says: "No
Trespassing. Durham Police Department, Pursuant to NC
General Statute 14-153.13 (1), I hereby authorize any
officer of the Durham Police Department to arrest and
remove any intruder found upon these premises. I will
testify in court as to my power to delegate this
authority. Please do not hesitate to phone me at any
time of day or night. Thank you, Ken Gasch
919.475.8866 <tel:919.475.8866>."
Do not board up houses!!!
Ken Gasch
REALTOR®/Broker
Seagroves Realty
_www.KenGasch.com_ (http://www.kengasch.com/) <_http://www.kengasch.com/_
(http://www.kengasch.com/) >
C: 919.475.8866 <tel:919.475.8866>
F: 866.229.4267 <tel:866.229.4267>
On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Barry Ragin
<_bragin at nc.rr.com_ (javascript:return) <mailto:_bragin at nc.rr.com_
(javascript:return) >> wrote:
You know, for a city that's on everyone's list of
the top ten places to live in the US, we sure seem
to have a lot of vacant and abandoned houses in
this town.
I can't for the life of me understand why that
should be.
Barry Ragin
On 3/3/11 4:30 PM, Melissa's yahoo wrote:
Maybe Durham would consider hosting a contest
where artists paint a board to be permanently
displayed in windows that are broken/in
disrepair. Durham could give a small cash
prize and/or display the winning board at City
Hall or something like that. It would be great
publicity for the many artists in Durham and
the Triangle. If this doesn't float, maybe we
can make it a contest for schools or school
aged children and give the winner a $200
savings bond - this is what they did for the
Durham America Recycles Day contest this year.
Or the winner's school could get a raingarden
installation or something like that, which we
want to see done anyway...
Melissa
Sent from my iPad
On Mar 2, 2011, at 7:13 PM, "RW
Pickle"<_randy at 27beverly.com_ (javascript:return)
<mailto:_randy at 27beverly.com_ (javascript:return) >> wrote:
Since this is a current topic of a new
committee, those involved (as well
as anyone else interested) should view the
recent window treatment
(instead of plywood or other materials)
used by NIS on a house located on
Holloway Street. The house is located on
the right in the first block
(going out Holloway from downtown past the
Public Library) just past the
Dillard Street intersection. The house is
white and I believe it's the 3rd
or 4th on the right as you head out
Holloway that way. This is a window
treatment that offers security, yet looks
like a window. The house also
has fresh straw in the yard from reseeding
(just to help you locate it).
It has much better curb appeal than
plywood and just casually looking, it
looks like windows are in place.
Randy Pickle
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