[Durham INC] **INC War Funding & Gay Marriage Resolutions**
TheOcean1 at aol.com
TheOcean1 at aol.com
Tue Jul 12 19:06:20 EDT 2011
In regards to Darius's first hope - nope, not enjoying this weather much at
all. Wonder if the heat from this discussion is effecting it.
And before Darius brings out Exhibits B-Z, let me suggest that he is
correct that IF INC begins discussing national and global issues, there are
hundreds of possible discussions that could take place.
Is it a Pandora's Box as Darius is concerned about?
I don't think so, mostly because the box has been sitting there all along.
Beware the assumption that any resolution has ever been forbidden. In
truth, anyone at any time could have brought an issue that could have sparked
this conversation. It hasn't happened much, or possibly at all, but there was
no rule against it.
I liken the whole thing to each individual neighborhood listserv. Can we
discuss national politics on neighborhood listservs? Of course, but you
rarely see much of that. There is no one standing guard over neighborhood
listservs and forbidding discussions of any kind. We are free people indeed.
Basically the neighborhood listservs are free to discuss whatever they
wish, and INC should allow anything that interests the neighborhoods to be
brought to the table. The spectrum should be as wide open as what topics are
ALLOWED to be discussed at neighborhood pot lucks.
While that might be anything, you might not find a lot of folks who want to
chat about national issues at the pot luck table.... or you might! Best
way to find out is to bring it up and see if others want to talk about that
instead of lost pets or which street needs a speed bump.
Judging from the speed and quantity of those chiming in to the Duke Park
listserv, where this all started, it was quite clear that Duke Parkers wanted
to voice their opinions. Frankly, that came as a surprise to me as our
listserv generally focuses on super local stuff like lost pets. But if Duke
Parkers want to discuss global warming, who has the right to tell them they
can't? And if WHH also wants to discuss that, there should be nothing to
stop them either.... and there isn't. There has never been anything that
would prevent any discussions, yet generally, neighborhood listservs discuss
local issues.
My initial reaction to the War resolution was much like Darius's reaction,
and I wondered out loud if INC should really take that up. But I've now
concluded that INC should be interested in anything the neighborhoods are
interested in, and what should the neighborhoods be allowed discuss?
Just ask the neighborhoods.
Bill Anderson
In a message dated 7/12/2011 4:34:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
pats1717 at hotmail.com writes:
As Tom read from the by-laws at the last meeting, the purpose of the INC
is to address issues of general interest to neighborhoods (I would also add
that there has to be at least one neighborhood willing to bring in a
resolution -- I don't want us to have to start to be more than polite to say,
Kooks for Candy-striped Streets (-:).
If the UN were to have a resolution saying diverse neighborhoods are a
good thing, we could probably do a resolution on it (I personally think the UN
supporting diverse neighborhoods would be at best pointless and probably
just create more useless bureaucrats, but others might disagree). I can see
an argument that gay marriage is good for neighborhoods because it makes
more stable families available to live in them. I can also see an argument
that a resolution for gay marriage is bad for neighborhoods because it sets
people to arguing.
Anyhow, there are probablye 4 questions:
1) Is the issue within INC bylaws?
2) Is an INC resolution the best way to address the issue? This has both
a positive side (we have other ways to address issues) and a negative side
(there's something to be said for letting sleeping dogs lay, especially in
this heat)
3) Do we support the aim of the resolution?
4) Is the specific text in the resolution OK with you?
Individual neighborhoods can have a position on each of the 4 questions.
Regards, pat
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Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 15:41:52 -0400
From: allen.joshua at gmail.com
To: duke1law at netscape.net
CC: inc-list at durhaminc.org
Subject: Re: [Durham INC] **INC War Funding & Gay Marriage Resolutions**
This is a *state* constitutional amendment being put forth by the *NC*
state legislature which we are represented in by *local* representatives. INC
has weighed in on issues going before the general assembly on many
occasions.
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Darius Mercedes Little
<_duke1law at netscape.net_ (mailto:duke1law at netscape.net) > wrote:
Exactly - which is consistent with what I stated, for the record. This is
about a greater poloicy and procedure within INC; which I think it
important to pin-down, as we seem to all be desirous of increasing involvement
within the group to more neighborhoods. As we continue to grow, more people
will have more concerns. This is the crux of my concern - big picture
thinking. Thanks Bill.
- DML
--------------------
Darius M. Little
Executive Business Consultant and
Strategic Marketing Analyst
(c) 919-641-4124
(web) _www.linkedin.com/in/dariuslittle_
(http://www.linkedin.com/in/dariuslittle)
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Sent: Tue, Jul 12, 2011 3:13 pm
Subject: Re: [Durham INC] **INC War Funding & Gay Marriage Resolutions**
As I see it, the question is: Should INC only take up local issues, or are
national issues also INC territory?
While historically INC has kept its focus on local only issues, there
really isn't anything in the by-laws that says we can't take on national or
global issues, too.
It's a good question.... for purposes of discussion, we should talk about
that without the specific resolution on the table on top of it. Let's
separate the discussion to the generally, should INC be involved in national
issues, so that our thoughts on these two resolutions aren't mixed in.
Just an idea,
Bill Anderson
In a message dated 7/12/2011 12:36:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
_duke1law at netscape.net_ (mailto:duke1law at netscape.net) writes:
Dear Fellow INC'ers:
I hope all is well and that everyone is enjoying this weather.
The purpose of this communication is to highlight my previously expressed
concern as it relates to the resolution on "War Funding" dollars; which was
presented to us at the last INC Meeting. Furthermore, I'd like to add that
the new proposal which has been brought before us, from Duke Park
--relating to a "Gay Marriage Resolution"-- lends more support to my original
position that INC is not the appropriate venue for which to address a lot of
these, social issues.
First of all, let me begin by stating that my strong opposition to both of
these resolutions is procedural. While I personally do not endorse gay
marriage, as a Christian who has his own areas that need constant improving,
I don't cast stones, or stand in judgment of others. I leave the judgment
as to the behavior of others, to God as my bible says all have fallen short
and in life, we typically judge others rather firmly: based upon "what"
they did (without looking at "why" they did it). Yet, when we, or someone we
like, or care about, stands in judgment, we want others to understand "why"
something happened, not to look at the act alone. We're all inconsistent!
So, as a human, my job is to do my best, each day and be a blessing to
others in the ways in which I am gifted. Now, to the War dollars: I, along
with everyone else on earth, realize that the dollars going to support the
War, could be utilized in our State Governments and trickled down to our
local governments. So, I'll firmly say I support ending the war and bringing
our dollars home.
Having said all of that, my opposition to both of these resolutions stems
upon the fact that, as stated in my initial email: I do not believe, based
upon the Mission Statement of INC, as well as the Precedent which has been
established by leadership, that we can remain consistent and fair in
policy, by allowing eithr of these resolutions to be presented, and approved by
our General Body.
Some have expressed the accurate belief that 'War Dollars' (public tax
dollars), as well as 'Gay Marriage' (Social Justice: I'm not going to say
Civil Rights b/c I don't feel the framers of our Constitution were thinking of
Gay Marriage when they were creating such tenants; but that's a discussion
for dinner) are issues which affect "neighborhoods" due to the fact that
they are popular stances, about which all individuals have an opinion. I
agree, they are issues worthy of discussion in any public, communal capacity.
However, the INC Mission Statement specifically expresses the following:
"Our mission is to promote the quality, stability and vitality of Durham's
residential neighborhoods."
Neither of these resolutions' passages will directly result in the
specific addressing of matters which adversely affect the "quality, stability and
vitality" of the Durham Neighborhoods we represent, nor the Durham
Community at-large.
I feel emotions ar high, at a time when a lot of National Issues are
receiving limelight and that peole --with good intention-- are reaching for any,
and every, avenue by which to have "their" most important issue,
supported. That is god. It's called lobbying. However, what seperates INC from
every other social and political entity is the fact that we have not,
historically, just jumped into every catfight. We have addressed issues,
successfully and aggressively, that directly, and in dramatic fashion, affect
Neighborhoods in Durham. Neither the War, nor Gay Marriage, are issues which
are the bedrock of the sustainability of our Durham Neighborhoods. They are
good discussion material and teach us a lot, however, they are not
consistent with what INV addresses.
Now, before anyone feels I am belittling their efforts (I am not), let me
add the fact that I have brought issues to INC which I felt were important,
and have been told that they were more social issues, than Neighborhood
Issues and as such, INC was not the avenue to address them. These were
issues related to Fayetteville Street, the African-American Community and needs,
which I felt were important. But INC did not address them. I was not
offended, and did not interpret these matters as a slight to my concern. I
realized that INC's effectiveness would dwindle, if it became viewed as an
organization that entangled itself in every fist fight. We've been effective
because we are unique in our battle selection. And our successes carry
weight, in my opinion, only because we choose battles that are close to
home, which we can have our collective hands on and fight, directly. We leave
the larger issues to our City Council, County Commissioners, School Board
and Durham Legislative Delegation, to lobby; the Matricular Consular, for
example. Everything that occurs in Duham affects its Citizens, which
in-turn, affects every neighborhood. If we entertain and allow the passage of
these resolutions, we will open a pandora's box and will not, be able to
fairly, reject anything that comes before us hereafter.
Now, if people are hellbent on addressing these issues through INC, I'd
submit there must be a change in ByLaws and Mission Statement. So, as I
originally stated: this discussion, again, is procedural. Is INC equipped to
address these issues from a standpoint of being "effective" (because
remember, we are seeking quality, stability and vitality in our battles for
"Durham Neighborhoods")? If so, then the Mission Statement needs to be changed,
to be more broad. And furthermore, we need to create a policy for which
issues we entertain, and which we do not.
Lastly, we need to address participation. According to the Secretary and
Treasurer, only seven (7) neighborhoods have paid their dues. So, are we
going to open the floodgates of issues we address to anything across the
State and Globe, yet not enforce participation requirements? I ask this
because though I've been attending for quite a while now, consistently, until I
paid dues, and got on the books officially, my participation was restricted.
So these are my thoughts and I'd love feedback. I thoroughly enjoy INC
and the time we've all gotten to actually get to know one another. I care
about each of you, and consider you friends. These are my opinions and they
are heartfelt, so I hope that no individual was offended. If so, I
apologize. I am simply addressing what I feel are legitimate concerns.
Yours,
Darius Little
--------------------
Darius M. Little
Executive Business Consultant and
Strategic Marketing Analyst
(c) 919-641-4124
(web) _www.linkedin.com/in/dariuslittle_
(http://www.linkedin.com/in/dariuslittle)
Manta Business Profile/Report:
_http://www.manta.com/c/mtlwj1m/little-s-business-consulting_
(http://www.manta.com/c/mtlwj1m/little-s-business-consulting)
"And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall
receive." [Matt 21:22]
-----Original Message-----
From: Joshua Allen <_allen.joshua at gmail.com_
(mailto:allen.joshua at gmail.com) >
To: _TheOcean1 at aol.com_ (mailto:TheOcean1 at aol.com)
Cc: _inc-list at durhaminc.org_ (mailto:inc-list at durhaminc.org)
Sent: Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:35 am
Subject: Re: [Durham INC] [dukepark] Duke park--requesting feedback on gay
marriage resolution
I'm glad someone is spearheading this! I think the resolution is great.
It's so important to have many diverse voices heard on this issue. It's
awesome to have neighborhoods supporting the gay and lesbian community.
When lawmakers hear only from the gays and lesbians, it just doesn't have the
same effect as having neighborhoods and business owners rally with support
as well. In NY, Republican business owners lobbied the state legislator in
support of gay marriage, which recently passed there. That made a big
difference.
We will take this up at our next Watts Hillandale board meeting. Thanks.
--Joshua Allen
WHHNA President
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 9:43 AM, <TheOcean1 at aol.com> wrote:
At the bottom is a resolution that is being test marketed on the Duke Park
listserv with unanimous results so far.
Please forward to your neighborhoods
Bill Anderson
In a message dated 7/11/2011 10:44:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
dorseymt at mindspring.com writes:
Support the resolution.
Mary on Hollywood
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From: dukepark at yahoogroups.com [mailto:dukepark at yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of readlaw at aol.com
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 11:41 AM
To: dukepark at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [dukepark] Duke park--requesting feedback on gay marriage
resolution
We will take this up at the August board meeting (Tuesday, August 9). If
you do not plan to attend and would like to express your position please
reply to board at dukepark.org.
Dan
Daniel F. Read
President, Duke Park Neighborhood Association
1424 Acadia St., Durham NC 27701
readlaw at aol.com 919-688-0535 FAX 919-682-4955
In a message dated 7/11/2011 11:12:31 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
gary_jddurham at yahoo.com writes:
Hello neighbors,
I, along with the help of some other neighbors, have drafted a resolution
to present to the INC regarding pending legislation that would put an
anti-marriage equality amendment to the state constitution on the ballot in
2012. The legislature will meet in September to consider this, and it is
important to show any of our state representitives or senators who may be on
the fence on this issue that Durham's neighborhoods support its gay and
lesbian residents. As this resolution would have to be approved by Duke Park
as well as the other neighborhood associations, I am presenting it to the
listserv for approval or suggestions for alterations. It is important to
indicate if you do or do not support the resolution so that our
representative can determine how to vote on our behalf. If anyone wishes to forward it
to other neighborhood lists, that would be great as I only subscribe to
this one. Hopefully if the resolution has a favorable reception, we can bring
it up for a vote at the next INC meeting at the end of the month. I'll
attach and copy the resolution below. Thanks for your time and support.
Gary Rosche, W Knox
Whereas Durham has a tradition of being a progressive beacon in the state
of North Carolina,
And whereas the neighborhood associations of Durham have always served as
incubators for the grassroots activism that has fueled that progressive
reputation,
And whereas our own elected officials have shown their commitment to
making Durham a welcoming community for gays and lesbians by passing
resolutions supporting marriage equality and providing domestic partner benefits to
the employees of the City and the County of Durham,
And whereas Durham is rightfully proud of its ability to embrace
diversity and champion equality for all,
It is therefore resolved that the InterNeighborhood Council of Durham
(INC) supports the civil rights of its gay and lesbian neighbors, including
the right to marry, and opposes SB 106 and HB 777 which would place on the
ballot in 2012 a referendum to amend the North Carolina Constitution to
prohibit marriage, and prohibit the recognition of any other form of domestic
legal union, between people of the same gender.
SB 106: http://www.ncleg.net/Sessions/2011/Bills/Senate/PDF/S106v0.pdf
HB 777:
http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/Sessions/2011/Bills/House/PDF/H777v0.pdf
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