[Durham INC] Neighborship
Joshua Allen
allen.joshua at gmail.com
Mon Feb 6 17:30:19 EST 2012
I disagree with Hartmut promoting his neighborship with our neighborhood
name. He is trying to get neighborhoods to use his site and it is
deceitful to list us, especially after agreeing to a trial only and then
having been rejected. He should remove us as we have requested. It goes
against our initial conversations with him.
Also it serves as a way to fracture communication. If someone googles our
neighborhood we want them directed to our site and our listserv, not
someone trying to usurp what our board has approved as our official site
and communication mechanism.
--Joshua
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On Feb 6, 2012, at 4:15 PM, Ketan Mayer-Patel <kmp at cs.unc.edu> wrote:
Hi all,
I have never posted on Durham INC before, but I've followed it for quite
some time. I'm the current mailing list manager for Rockwood. We happen to
use Yahoo! Groups. I agree with Shelly that I don't think that Neighborship
is claiming any sort of endorsement by any particular homeowner's or
neighborhood association. Furthermore, I would ask those who have asked him
to stop using the neighborhood names to perhaps reconsider their request. I
know that Rockwood, for example, has no "official" association. We tried
once, a while back, but it kind of fell apart. What was left, however, was
the unmoderated mailing list that I've managed over the years, moving it to
Yahoo groups when we had to move off of the UNC listserv. And as it turns
out, that's worked well for us over the years. Harmut also approached me
about moving the Rockwood list to Neighborship. The timing for us was bad,
because I had just moved us to Yahoo groups not too long back and it took a
decent amount of effort to get everyone to move and this was just replacing
one emailing list to another. I also share many of the concerns expressed
here about moving to something more complicated and a more overtly
commercial model. But at the same time, Harmut should be free to promote
his platform which does in fact have many additional and innovative
features. I can not claim to own the name "Rockwood" and I don't think it
is fair to prevent his use of the name to identify the neighborhood within
his product either. Of course, this is my own personal opinion and I don't
mean to appear as a representative of the Rockwood list as a whole.
Ketan Mayer-Patel
kmp
On Feb 6, 2012, at 2:31 PM, Shelly Green wrote:
I’ve also spoken with Harmut and don’t believe what he has is necessarily
meant to replace list serves (although who knows, at some point way down
the road, it may.) The Neighborship product, based on my getting in it and
looking around, is really more of a website where neighbors can interact in
a lot of ways.
Also, I don’t believe he is stating that all of those neighborhoods listed
have “endorsed” the product…merely that those are the ones that he has “set
up” in the system. Just my two cents.
*From:* inc-list-bounces at rtpnet.org [mailto:inc-list-bounces at rtpnet.org] *On
Behalf Of*TheOcean1 at aol.com
*Sent:* Monday, February 06, 2012 1:11 PM
*To:* Reyn Bowman; inc-list at durhaminc.org
*Subject:* Re: [Durham INC] Neighborship
*Having met with, and chatted with, Hartmut numerous times, it is my belief
that introducing a new system will seriously disrupt the listserv system
that we've accidentally put in place over the years.*
*In fact, that "quilting" term he mentioned probably came from our
discussions. I didn't copyright the word, and he's welcome to use it, but
when I used it I was describing the neighborhood listservs as pieces of the
quilt, and they are sewn together when we cross post messages from one
neighborhood to the next. Ditto cross posting from one Partners Against
Crime district to the next.*
*Had we used Hartmut's system from the start, all would probably be well,
although the possibility that it wouldn't remain free forever was a
reasonable concern. But to switch over now could undermine the excellent
communication we all presently enjoy (in my opinion).*
*Why fix something that isn't broken? It's disturbing that he's using some
neighborhood's name in marketing when he's been asked to stop.*
*
**Bill Anderson*
In a message dated 2/6/2012 10:30:27 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
reynbowman at gmail.com writes:
While neighborhood associations may choose for whatever reason not to move
to a more flexible platform, they may wish to offer it to their residence
who do. We owe a great deal to those individuals who introduced us to
listserves and it seems from what I have seen that neighborship is just
another progressive step in that tradition
On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Philip Azar RR <pazar at nc.rr.com> wrote:
Trinity Park is not part of neighborship.
*From:* inc-list-bounces at rtpnet.org [mailto:inc-list-bounces at rtpnet.org] *On
Behalf Of*Phillip Bost
*Sent:* Friday, February 03, 2012 5:26 PM
*To:* Joshua Allen
*Cc:* inc-list at durhaminc.org
*Subject:* Re: [Durham INC] Neighborship
Will just state briefly that I oppose the use of this software in
communities that already have mailing lists in place, but fully support it
for neighborhoods that don't already have a mailing list set up.
The risk is that some in an established online community will opt in, while
others will not, thereby fracturing the community.
Cheers,
Phil Bost
Duke Park
DurhamHoods.com Creator
On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Joshua Allen <allen.joshua at gmail.com> wrote:
Watts Hillandale is not part of neighborship. The board elected not to use
it. I have asked Hartmut not to promote his site listing our neighborhood.
--Joshua
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On Feb 3, 2012, at 10:22 AM, John Martin <bulldurhamnc at yahoo.com> wrote:
*Note: Mr. Harmut Jahn has asked me to send the following message to the
INC listserv. He is currently on the agenda for the March meeting to
briefly explain his product. Neither I, nor the INC, has endorsed his
program. This is Mr. Jahn's description, and I'm simply conveying it for
your information.*
*--John Martin, INC President.*
Neighborship <http://www.neighborship.com/> is inviting all citizens in
Durham to participate in a new way to connect with their neighbors,
neighboring communities, and
Durham. It is private, safe and fun to use!
Currently available communities are:
Brightleaf
Downtown Durham
Forest Hills
Hope Valley
Lattamoor
Northgate-Park
Rockwood
Station Nine
Trinity-Heights
Trinity Park
Watts-Hillandale
West-Village
Woodcroft
Neighborship represents a new approach to online communities. It is linking
or "quilting" them together with their municipalities and is providing them
with their own panels to administer members, groups, content, and access
rights. One important goal was to free neighbors of irrelevant emails and
to let them focus on what matters most to them. By creating a structure to
join organized conversations we eliminate time-consuming redundancies while
providing community oversight.
Neighborship is providing boards and neighbors with many useful and unique
features, such as
· a parent network for each city
· an easy way to set up neighborhood websites
· a neighborhood events calendar
· a neighborhood bartering network
· a review system
· daily email notices
· dues collections
· an alert system
· an access to PAC messages
· and more
Join at www.neighborship.com and start communicating more efficiently in
Durham.
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