[Durham INC] New from the Rev-elution: Ending the cycle of poverty transp...

TheOcean1 at aol.com TheOcean1 at aol.com
Thu Aug 16 23:51:17 EDT 2012


Thanks for  pointing that out, Matt - 
 
Folks,  anything that operates in the red for any real length of time is in 
a category  of a whole different nature. If you think about all of them, 
they all continue  in the red because they must continue. Bus systems are a 
fine  example.
 
The idea  of riding busses to save the environment is still relatively new. 
I'm not that  old, but I can remember when the guy holding the sign saying, 
"The world is  coming to an end." was considered crazy. 
Today we  all know that's the case without massive changes in our day to 
day lives,  probably the least of these being trading our car keys for bus 
passes whenever  possible.
 
Unlike  some of the others, busses tend to operate in the red BECAUSE the 
beneficiaries  don't or won't contribute enough to support bus systems. I'm 
not talking about  the riders.
 
Durham is  blessed to have Duke, so don't take this as a slam. But our 
largest employer  also pays no taxes to help support the bus system in Durham, 
yet they probably  benefit as much as the employees in their Linen Services 
Dept, who couldn't get  to work without our bus system.
 
That seems  to be changing with our current city management. That's a 
history setting figure  of $350k this year, but if I recall, no long term 
commitment from Duke. Still a  wonderful direction to go, and I failed to hear the 
applause I thought our city  manager deserved for achieving it. 
 
How much  stigma do you think would still be attached to bus travel if you 
routinely  took the bus to Duke Medical Center?  Right now even  the 
environmentally concerned among us would have a friend drop us off to  have our 
eyes dilated, and pick us up when we're done. That's four car rides vs  two bus 
rides. 
Perhaps in  the future Duke will take an even greater stance recognizing 
that your medical  experience with them might start and end at the bus stop 
and cure their parking  problems in the process. They could help ensure a bus 
system that could effect  that change, when they see the system transport 
both their employees and their  patients. 
 
Now  consider the other nonprofits in town, and you'll see that our bus 
system  wouldn't operate in the red, if all the major beneficiaries would 
contribute  what they can. 
 
And if they did, we could afford a system that would attract many more  
employees to become riders. 
 
Until then, the stigma will remain because the system was created to serve  
poor people, and you need a lot more tree huggers to get on the bus to 
change  that.


Bill Anderson


 
In a message dated 8/16/2012 10:41:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
matt.dudek at gmail.com writes:

I think  this is exactly the problem Carl is addressing. The majority of 
the people who  ride the bus today don't ride it because it's easy, they ride 
it because it's  their only option. And it can be dehumanizing to deal with 
the indignities of  being let off the bus early, in the rain, because of a 
service issue. And when  a large chunk of white/upper or middle class people 
say "I would ride the bus  if it were easy" then it makes it a little more 
understandable that a  frustrated individual might say:  


“A  black man can’t make it in this country,” an animated rider declared 
as the  bus turned right on Dowd Street. “The white man has everything.  Ain’
t  nothing we can do to change things.”


Carl's point though, is that there is a well documented stigma  surrounding 
the bus, as well as walking and biking. The TTA has done a great  job of 
making things better by adding wifi to routes, and working with DATA to  
improve reliability and performance of routes. The Bull City Connector is  
another great way to get around Durham, and a real boon to the area. We need  to 
continue to reduce the stigma surrounding it.


And buses will never run with any regularity in South Durham because the  
population density is not high enough to support any level of ridership that  
would come close to paying for it. Even in a city like Boston, only a few 
of  the bus lines weren't in the red. 


- Matt





 
On Aug 16, 2012, at 5:58 PM, Melissa Rooney wrote:



 
I don't ride the bus because I would have to drive to the nearest  bus 
stop, and then I'd have to take the bus into downtown Durham to get  anywhere 
useful to me, often requiring me to drive to the stop, get on the  bus, go 
downtown, then go back out of town.


More bus stops is tantamount and more bus routes that suit areas  like 
South Durham, which continue to be developed but which most people  presume is 
inhabited by people who don't want to leave their cars  behind.


There are many who believe the bus system is unsafe, particularly  after 
dark.
This didn't stop me from riding the bus in LA, and it wouldn't  stop me 
from riding the bus here.


Perhaps a study should be published detailing the (presumably  low) numbers 
of crimes that occur on Durham buses/Data.


Then we should have a 'ride the bus day/week/etc.,' much like  National 
Night Out.


Melissa (Rooney)_





 
  
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My piece is  not about race relations, it's about the feelings of some on 
the bus.  The reason this is important is related to the need to change the  
culture of the bus system to encourage people to ride the bus, not because  
they have to, but because they want to save the globe.  We can't  minimize 
public transportation as a system for black, brown and poor people.  So, why 
haven't I seen people who fight for the environment on the bus?  Why aren't 
they riding the bus?  It's a critical question that I  want to address.  I'm 
not done riding and writing, and I won't until I  see more of you on the 
bus.  Our globe deserves better than this!


 
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 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 19:50:06 -0700
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To: _Darius.M.Little at alumni.unc.edu_ 
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poverty  transportation


Thanks for that input, Darius.
I was thinking the same thing.
We are lucky to have public transportation at all, much less the  emphasis 
that our local elected officials put on increasing its reach and  its 
quality.


Public transport was my only mode of transportation for nearly 3 years  
when I lived in Melbourne, Australia. Did I have often have to wait past a  
buses scheduled stop and be late for work or appointments as a result? Did I  
end up taking the bus to the end of the line unknowingly and have to walk in  
the rain to a distant bus stop? Yes, but like the plethora of other  
ethnicities riding the bus with me, I did not associate this hardship with  
anti-American, anti-Polish, anti-Lithuanian, or anti-woman sentiments.


I agree that we have a long way to go when it comes to race-relations  in 
Durham and in this country. But I do believe that things are much better  in 
Durham than a lot of places and that we are sincerely striving to get  
things right.


Melissa (Rooney)





 
  
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 From: Darius Little <_Darius.M.Little at alumni.unc.edu_ 
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Carl,

I appreciate your writings,  but I am going to contest this one.  (Smile)

Allowing the  individual to get off of that bus without educating him on 
the fact that  "riding the bus" isn't completely racial oppression was the 
biggest failure  that has occurred.

I am black and I am sick and tired of other blacks  making the bus a racial 
issue.  There are more poor Whites in Durham  County than Blacks.  Why 
don't you see them on the bus?  Most poor  Whites live in rural areas, whereas 
most poor Blacks live in the City  Limits.

There are too many educated, well-off Blacks in Durham for  articles as 
this to be allowed to be printed and published, without being  called-out.

It is offensive to always see the "poor" image of Blacks  being elevated.  
Let's publish some articles on the young business  owners in the Black 
Community, such as your truly, who employ a freakin'  staff, am very active in 
politics, countless civic organizations in Durham,  tutors/mentors youth, 
volunteers, etc.  Or young Black professionals,  like Pierce Freelon, who are 
hardworking, manage a family, is involved in  the community and engages in a 
lot of civic activities.

I'm tired of  hearing about the White Man and how oppressed we Blacks are - 
it just isn't  so.

In Durham, we have poor Blacks, but the average Black in Durham  is doing 
pretty well.  That is not to say the "Black Community" is  where it needs to 
be, collectively, but if we are going to encourage those  at the lower tier 
of socioeconomics in our community, they'd be best served  reading about and 
seeing the avenues for success, not enabled to rely upon  the crutch of 
complacency, by reading articles such as the one you just  published.

If I were poor and read that article, I'd not be very  encouraged to be 
proactive....

-  Darius





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receive."  [Matt 21:22]



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