[Durham INC] [owdna] Zoom Mtg Mon 10/12 6pm: Save local runoff election $$$? Have spoiler proofing on ballots? Join & learn re: a nonpartisan effort for NC

Mon Oct 12 10:42:57 EDT 2020

Tom, good points.  Counterpoint: how many people make the effort to vote
again in a run off?  It's a lot of effort for people and it also requires a
lot of marketing, publicity to get voters back out to the polls.  And if
voters don't vote, that's not improving democracy.   I prefer going once,
and being able to indicate my 2nd choice up front.

On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 10:23 AM Tom Miller <tom-miller1 at nc.rr.com> wrote:

> Whether this is good depends on how the primary or runoff system is
> conducted.  In a primary system like ours, ranked choice robs a voter’s
> ability to change their mind between the ballots.  If jones, smith, green,
> and williams are running and in the primary jones and smith get the most
> votes, but neither a majority and williams and green get negligible votes,
> Jones and smith advance to the general election.  If I voted for green in
> the primary, I still control my vote.  I get to decide whether to support
> Jones or smith in the general.  I still have my portion of political
> power.  In ranked choice, I must decide once what my ranking is.  I don’t
> get to reappraise my position after the primary.  I don’t get to change my
> mind.  In all elections there is a chance the winner will be someone I
> don’t like. RCV doesn’t protect against that.  It does stop me from being
> able to choose between the two high vote getters (people I might not like)
> which I suppose could be interpreted that by losing in RCV I am somehow
> spared the indignity of having to choose between two candidates who aren’t
> my top choices by taking away all my choice in a second ballot.  No thanks.
>
>
>
> I do not see RCV as a democracy upgrade.
>
>
>
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> *Subject:* [owdna] Zoom Mtg Mon 10/12 6pm: Save local runoff election
> $$$? Have spoiler proofing on ballots? Join & learn re: a nonpartisan
> effort for NC
>
>
>
> ** Please Cross Post **
>
> Sharing for any who may be interested, Zoom meeting about/for the
> Non-Partisan Better Ballot RCV initiative (adopted in Maine & NYC,
> initiatives in 12 other states underway) - tomorrow night 10/12, 6pm. This
> option offers many benefits (including saving runoff & recount taxpayer
> money for Durham county to allocate elsewhere)  – it’s a ballot style used
> by New Zealand, Australia, Canada and various global/Scandinavian/EU
> countries….link in tomorrow to hear more about how it works, and how it
> could be set up in North Carolina. More information, Zoom call sign-in
> details below.
>
>
>
> *Facebook page to invite/share:*
> https://www.facebook.com/events/357614958696152
>
>
>
> *Better Ballot NC Ranked-Choice Voting Effort*
>
> A new group, Better Ballot North Carolina, has formed in North Carolina to
> pursue the implementation of Ranked-Choice Voting in our state.
> Ranked-Choice Voting allows voters to rank their candidates in order of
> preference. The advantage is that it eliminates the argument that a voter’s
> true preference must be  sacrificed in favor of an undesirable but
> "lesser-evil" candidate.  With RCV, if the voter’s first choice does not
> win or is eliminated after the first round of vote tabulation, the voter’s
> second choice is counted to their alternate selection in the race.
>
>
>
> Better Ballot North Carolina is a nonpartisan group/endeavor. Registered
> in NC as a nonprofit, the group’s goal is to educate North Carolinians
> about the value of Ranked-Choice Voting in offering more candidates with
> diverse views and ideas. Visit the group at www.betterballotnc.org
> <https://www.ncgreenparty.org/r?u=6s10uSine0xVIA_h37FKC4tfDUyjJCf37U0GIWtm-00&e=c7f797ffe2a343615485899c6962592a&utm_source=ncgreenparty&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_august_2020&n=14>
> .
>
>
>
> Meet great people. Empower voters. Make a difference in our country’s
> future. Join us as we build the strategy to win Ranked Choice Voting in
> North Carolina.
>
> RCV is a democracy upgrade which allows voters to rank the candidates on
> the ballot in the order you prefer them, instead of choosing just one.
> Ranking your choices liberates you from being forced to vote for the
> "lesser of two evils." It allows you to vote for the candidate that best
> matches your views, while still allowing you to vote for one or more
> "backup" choices. This means your vote always stays intact, never gets
> wasted/spoiled, and you won't help to elect a candidate you strongly
> dislike.
>
> A few years ago, Maine became the first state to reform their elections by
> adopting Ranked Choice Voting. Then, America's largest city, New York,
> passed RCV by a whopping 74% of the vote. Six states have even used RCV for
> this year's presidential primaries or caucuses.
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> *Topic: Better Ballot NC Monthly Statewide Meeting*
> Time: Oct 12, 2020 06:00 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada)
>
>
>
> Join at
> https://zoom.us/j/95153818028
> <https://zoom.us/j/95153818028?fbclid=IwAR3fuVWyekp9npP1hYM_mnx058AqpmNjPwbzobfwG0SVVviSESDBxaQeOtw>
>
> Meeting ID: 951 5381 8028
> Passcode: 445047
>
>
>
> Want to help? This meeting will also allow you to connect with established
> teams that are already building our foundation.
>
> We are organized and running, and all we are missing is you. Let's get RCV
> working in North Carolina!
>
> Please contact us with any questions -
> info at betterballotnorthcarolina.org
> http://www.BetterBallotNorthCarolina.org
>
>
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