INC NEWS - [owdna] underground utility discussion in NOLA

Thu Sep 11 20:51:39 EDT 2008

Might I add that underground utilities, particularly if installed in the same trench as other utilities, will reduce the need to chop down trees and keep so much land clear of trees for reasons relating to powerlines easements. This would be seen as a plus to environmentalists as well. 

Melissa

Melissa Rooney
mmr121570 at yahoo.com

--- On Thu, 9/11/08, Mike - Hotmail <mwshiflett at hotmail.com> wrote:

> From: Mike - Hotmail <mwshiflett at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: INC NEWS - [owdna] underground utility discussion in NOLA
> To: kjj1 at duke.edu, "Ellen Dagenhart" <dagnhrt at mindspring.com>
> Cc: inc-list at durhaminc.org, "OWDNA" <owdna at yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008, 10:41 AM
> I completely agree with Kelly,
> 
> Shortly after the Ice Storm of 2001 damage estimates were
> 'bounced around' 
> in the $115-200 million range.   This did not include the
> economic impact of 
> those damages.
> 
> While it might be interesting to know exactly how much of
> that damage was 
> caused by fallen branches and whole trees,  anyone who
> lived thru it would 
> testify that if the lines were buried,  most or at least a
> majority of the 
> economic affects for the loss of power would have been
> avoided.
> 
> Again,  a number of people are not asking for an immediate
> removal of all of 
> the overhead power and utility lines......just a phasing
> in.
> 
> Let's start by targeting the more critical services
> like police and fire 
> stations, hospitals, nursing homes, municipal and county
> services, EMS, 
> shelter locations, etc.
> 
> It's called 'hardening' them.   In an emergency
> it's these services and the 
> people who are employed by them that are essential for life
> saving and 
> rescue activities which require full operational
> capabilities.
> 
> Then move on to schools, retail and commercial areas.
> 
> And finally a coordinated and integrated phase in for
> neighborhoods and 
> residential areas that would not only ensure a reliable
> power grid during 
> these natural disasters,  but also carry with it a
> beautification bonus 
> where we could start enjoying the full mature growth of
> large trees in our 
> urban environment.
> 
> Many of us believe that there is a balance between the
> costs for 
> undergrounding utilities and recognize the logistical
> significance of 
> implementing it in Durham.
> 
> However,  the consequences of NOT doing this will be a
> repeat of what we've 
> seen before for not only ice storms, but hurricanes,
> tornados and the errant 
> drunk driver who hits a king pin light pole for a
> neighborhood.
> 
> Mike Shiflett
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Kelly Jarrett" <kjj1 at duke.edu>
> To: "Ellen Dagenhart"
> <dagnhrt at mindspring.com>
> Cc: <inc-list at durhaminc.org>; "OWDNA"
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> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 8:53 AM
> Subject: Re: INC NEWS - [owdna] underground utility
> discussion in NOLA
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> 
> > Ellen--
> >
> > Thanks for sharing this conversation. While I
> understand that
> > underground installation is initially more expensive
> than pole-power,
> > the costs of repetitive routine replacement drop out
> of the equation.
> > While it may be 10 times more expensive to install
> underground, how many
> > times do we have to replace the pole-power
> infrastructure. In the last
> > decade or so, we've had at least 3 major events (2
> hurricanes and an
> > icestorm) that have destroyed huge portions of our
> power infrastructure.
> > Over the lifetime of a power system, don't these
> costs become a little
> > more balanced? And this doesn't even count the
> costs of the incessant
> > and brutal tree ":trimming" that seems to be
> a year round activity: What
> > do those crews and that equipment cost?
> >
> > Kelly
> >
> >
> >
> > Ellen Dagenhart wrote:
> >>
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